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Post by Duffking on Oct 12, 2021 13:27:44 GMT
In other news, enjoying the new Black Sites. Good mix of melodic and heavy as ever.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 13, 2021 7:52:08 GMT
Just got tickets for Tool next May, that’s one thing I can scratch off the bucket list
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Post by Techno Hippy on Oct 13, 2021 8:57:19 GMT
Right in Two is still one of my favourite songs.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 13, 2021 9:14:59 GMT
I was hoping they’d do a European leg of the FI tour, I would’ve considered flying to Fucksville KY if they only did USA, then covid hit and that was that. Shame it’s seated at the O2 but it’s fucking Tool and I never thought I’d even get the chance to see them
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Post by simple on Oct 13, 2021 10:41:59 GMT
I’ve never been particularly into Trivium but Matt seemed to be on every podcast and youtube show over the last year and seems like a great guy. I’m intrigued by his black metal project.
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Post by damagedinc on Oct 13, 2021 14:14:16 GMT
Yes I managed to get tool tickets aswell. Saw them at download in 06 and that's it. Dying to see them in a "covered" venue.
Re trivium I would also just call all "metal" "metal" sub sections of the genre always grated me. Particularly because it causes stupid arguments.
For a mainstream band at least they try new things and are technically great at thier instruments. It's obviously a career In which they wish to succeed commercially and I can respect that. It will mean that the radio friendly songs may dilute the output. However there're a million other bands I can turn to for obscurity.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 13, 2021 14:21:49 GMT
I don't want to get too deep into sub-sub genres, but metal is such a broad church it's very feasible to like some sub-genres but not others.
Personally I like a wide range of stuff outside of, and inside of metal... I mean, the vast majority of every genre does little for me, but there's a few artists I like all other the place.
But it feels slightly weird to lump, let's say, Avantasia, Bongripper together. I like both bands but have a very different sonic pallette.
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Post by Duffking on Oct 13, 2021 17:41:32 GMT
Subgenres are incredibly useful because they let you find stuff you like. If you tell someone you like band x, and they're genre y, it's easy to say "well you should check out all these too...". And then you can look at what the adjacent subgenres are, and so on. Sometimes it's used as an elitist hitting stick but most of the time it's great.
Like I don't really enjoy a lot of Black Metal but there are some I do like and that everything gets so neatly subgenred I can find other bands that fit that niche too quite easily.
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Post by damagedinc on Oct 13, 2021 17:57:03 GMT
Those are both very fair counter arguments to the resistance to sub genres to be fair.
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Post by simple on Oct 14, 2021 12:20:13 GMT
I’ll never get over one of the staff I used to manage (male, mid 30s, obviously) explaining Tool to two middled female staff including the line “they’re actually very popular and important even if you haven’t heard of them”
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Post by robthehermit on Oct 14, 2021 15:12:15 GMT
I've just been offered two tickets to Cornwall Rocks this weekend. Can't decide if I want to go or not.
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Post by robthehermit on Oct 14, 2021 15:13:07 GMT
friday 15th
Praying Mantis
Thunderstick
The Luke Doherty Band
Vambo
White Raven Down
False Hearts
saturday 16th
The Wildhearts
Bad Touch
Piston
Hollowstar
Kikamora
Anchor Lane
sunday 17th
Focus
Hawklords
Ramonas
Eliana Cargnelutti
JFK Blue
Cancel The Transmission
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 14, 2021 15:14:57 GMT
I recognise one of those band names. I'm definitely out of touch.
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Post by zagibu on Oct 14, 2021 15:40:11 GMT
The problem with subgenres is that they are often very inaccurate. Some bands jump subgenres from album to album, and some even from track to track, or even within sections of single tracks. So you kind of have to list songs you like and recommend other songs based on those, instead of recommending whole bands or albums.
But yeah, they can be helpful, sometimes.
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Post by robthehermit on Oct 14, 2021 15:50:15 GMT
I recognise one of those band names. I'm definitely out of touch. You and me both. I watched a few vids and it looks like it would have been a pretty decent weekend but I've passed on the tickets because work  Quite a few of the bands on that list are off of the 70's and NWOBHM. |
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Post by robthehermit on Oct 14, 2021 15:51:17 GMT
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Oct 15, 2021 4:00:50 GMT
Owl: First song from the first album. German Death/Doom. Yet another one off of zeitgeistermusic.
Encyclopedia Metallum is kind of odd in that regard, considering how all kinds of weird experimental or Avantgarde-bands are still on there. Also cases like Ulver, which used to be Black Metal, but have long since moved away or bands that are only occasionally Metal, like Waltari, but some genres/bands aren't considered Metal at all. It seems to be something about a certain kind of instrumentation being required to be considered Metal. Seems pretty restrictive and inconsistent with all the Avantgarde-/Crossover-stuff being on there.
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Post by stixxuk on Oct 16, 2021 8:48:20 GMT
The Bloodstock drama going on at the moment is depressing. We try to convince ourselves that metal is all warm inclusivity under it's scary visage but it's got it's divisions and intolerance, maybe even more than its fair share.
For those not aware one of the family that run the festival stated on Twitter that anyone's emails stating their pronouns would go straight to the bin. Not sure how she thought that was going to go down.
Anyway she's apologised(ish) and "stepped back from her role for now".
Fairly comprehensive reporting on it at Metalsucks, for some reason paste isn't working on my phone to copy the link.
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Post by Duffking on Oct 16, 2021 17:29:09 GMT
Are their pronouns Twat/Cunt by any chance?
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Post by stixxuk on Oct 17, 2021 6:55:42 GMT
Realised I didn't phrase that well.
It wasn't about her pronouns but about people specifying their own in emails to her (presumably signatures).
Bullshit statement anyway, she's not going to ignore emails from bands they're working with whatever they ask to be called. It was purely about having a rant.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 17, 2021 7:00:35 GMT
The Bloodstock drama going on at the moment is depressing. We try to convince ourselves that metal is all warm inclusivity under it's scary visage but it's got it's divisions and intolerance, maybe even more than its fair share. For those not aware one of the family that run the festival stated on Twitter that anyone's emails stating their pronouns would go straight to the bin. Not sure how she thought that was going to go down. Anyway she's apologised(ish) and "stepped back from her role for now". Fairly comprehensive reporting on it at Metalsucks, for some reason paste isn't working on my phone to copy the link. That's just really fucking bizarre behaviour. Even if you think pronoun stating is stupid, why you'd feel the need to vent this in such an unprofessional manner is odd. It really is virtue signalling - if somebody proclaims they're against pronoun identity in emails etc. you can pretty much guess their other beliefs. After reading metalsucks my assumptions as to her beliefs are correct. |
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Post by Duffking on Oct 17, 2021 10:05:28 GMT
Generally I find it bizzarre when people just decide to voice out shit that they know won't go over well with a large number of people and then act surprised when it doesn't go over well.
Like if you're getting a large amount of people in your audience adding their pronouns why would you think your audience would be on your side? Moronic.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 17, 2021 12:00:19 GMT
I do love Anaal Nathrakh, even on their weaker material albums like Desidaratum I like them, quite a lot.
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Post by simple on Oct 17, 2021 15:06:27 GMT
Metal is an absolute shitfest politically. You can literally give a Hitler salute while shouting white power and legions will defend you. And who among us hasn’t bought an album featuring a literal murderer?
I’d say your outspokenly “woke” like a Thou or Fever 333 or whoever are in the minority - and at best its a genre with a vaguely live and let live “lets leave politics out of it” vibe. It does seem to be getting better among a lot of newer younger bands but theres a huge misdirected strain where “kicking against authority and rebelling against conformity” has become an excuse to punch down at vulnerable groups. Lets face it, no one was surprised there were metal guys like yer man from Iced Earth at Trump’s insurrection.
Even if, as Hell Bent For Metal and Two Minutes To Late Night will gleefully point out, metal is totally camp
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Oct 17, 2021 17:41:46 GMT
Yeah, I remember there was some drama about the lyrics on "The Glorious Burden". But I hadn't been aware that Schaffer had been there.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 17, 2021 18:24:12 GMT
Schaffer was not only present at the attempted insurrection but was charged with two offences relating to the incident and pleaded guilty, I think there was some plea deal so not sure how the sentencing ended up.
I have to admit, I kinda liked some of the stuff he did with Hansi Kursch in the Demons and Wizards project they had.
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Post by arnvidr on Oct 17, 2021 18:28:04 GMT
Encyclopedia Metallum is kind of odd in that regard, considering how all kinds of weird experimental or Avantgarde-bands are still on there. Also cases like Ulver, which used to be Black Metal, but have long since moved away or bands that are only occasionally Metal, like Waltari, but some genres/bands aren't considered Metal at all. It seems to be something about a certain kind of instrumentation being required to be considered Metal. Seems pretty restrictive and inconsistent with all the Avantgarde-/Crossover-stuff being on there. If my memory serves me right, their criteria is simply that a band has one predominantly metal release. So in the case of Ulver, there's at least a few albums that qualify, and they stay in the archives forever. Makes sense if you ask me, if I want to know about their black metal days, it would be weird if their newer material had removed them from the archives. |
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Oct 18, 2021 5:34:06 GMT
Schaffer was not only present at the attempted insurrection but was charged with two offences relating to the incident and pleaded guilty, I think there was some plea deal so not sure how the sentencing ended up. I have to admit, I kinda liked some of the stuff he did with Hansi Kursch in the Demons and Wizards project they had. I'm not really all that interested in Power Metal anymore, but I used to rather like Iced Earth and Demons & Wizards as well.
Yeah, I checked Schaffer on Wikipedia and it has a good amount of detail on his involvement. I had completely missed that particular aspect back then.
I absolutely don't mind that, I just have never seen a good definition of what they consider "Metal". Apparently there isn't one.
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Post by Duffking on Oct 18, 2021 9:40:02 GMT
I'm pretty sure they're keeping Between the Buried and Me off there out of some weird mix of spite and attempting to save face at this point. And I don't even really like BTBAM.
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