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Post by britesparc on Oct 29, 2021 22:40:09 GMT
I'm surprised people are struggling to get to grips that it's an origin story for Buzz. I think because when they originally announced it last year or whenever, they made it sound as if this was the story of the "real" astronaut who inspired the toy that Andy got for his birthday. But this trailer looks like a sci-fi movie. So either all of the Toy Story films exist in a universe where Star Command was an organisation that developed experimental space planes and - it seems - had aliens and moonbases and whatnot, all by the early 90s, or it's effectively an in-universe fiction; a movie that was spun-off into the Buzz Lightyear toyline. And if it's the latter, is this supposed to be the very story that the toy was based on - in effect a movie from 1994 or something - or is it supposed to be a reboot, like a modern remake of the "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" Saturday morning cartoon? Yeah, we're probably all thinking about it way too much, but this is Toy Story, it demands to be over-thought.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 29, 2021 23:27:12 GMT
It’s the origin story of Buzz Lightyear, the space ranger that the toy is based on. But it’s not canon to the Toy Story movies, it’s it’s own film. Which seems to the bit that people are tripping up on.
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Post by Zuluhero on Oct 29, 2021 23:36:35 GMT
Just saw this and genuinely like the look of it, using Starman gave me goosebumps, perfect fit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 1:19:19 GMT
It’s the origin story of Buzz Lightyear, the space ranger that the toy is based on. But it’s not canon to the Toy Story movies, it’s it’s own film. Which seems to the bit that people are tripping up on. Are you sure? Much like britesparc, I imagined it was a film within the Toy Story universe. You don't usually make toys based on real people. You might use their likeness, but it's usually based on a character they've played. So I assumed, they made a science fiction film, Andy was a fan, his mother bought him the toy. This would be the film, or a reboot take on the film that made young Andy a fan.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 30, 2021 1:58:55 GMT
The movie will be the dream of the sentient toy Buzz Lightyear who invents these fantasy worlds to escape the incalculable physical and mental pain he is tortured by in his waking moments.
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Post by damagedinc on Oct 30, 2021 6:16:46 GMT
How people can't get to grips with this I have no idea.
Tim Allen has been cloned and brought back to life In the year 2156. He then becomes the astronaut he acted in the early 90s to become buzz lightyear. However in a series of wacky scenes he has to get to learn society's new ways such as using the three shells, battling Wesley snipes and having vr sex with the corpse of Sandra bullock
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Post by Zuluhero on Oct 30, 2021 7:42:35 GMT
The whole concept is so meta it belongs on the Metaverse.
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Post by geefe on Oct 30, 2021 8:18:59 GMT
It is almost definitely going to have a Hanks/ Allen cameo then.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 30, 2021 8:25:47 GMT
I can get to grips with it, will just be weird. Tim Allen is Buzz, toy or other incarnation imo. Looks good regardless though, and it's not a Biggie. Just weird.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 30, 2021 8:31:40 GMT
I’d imagine part of the reason is also they don’t want Buzz to sound like a 70 year old man.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 16:10:04 GMT
To be fair, that man sounded 70 when he was 40.
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Post by neilka on Oct 30, 2021 22:17:14 GMT
If you find the premise of this film confusing please don't play Kingdom Hearts 3, where the protagonists end up inside the universe of a game that is fictional within the Toy Story universe that exists on a planet in the Kingdom Hearts universe
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Post by Lukus on Oct 31, 2021 7:31:16 GMT
The merchandise for this film has the potential to be extra confusing. Will they go with the 'real' Buzz face and voice or the 'toy' Buzz face and voice for the toy of the real Buzz, which is a cartoon.
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Post by britesparc on Oct 31, 2021 7:57:29 GMT
I do wonder though whether the people are Pixar actually like Tim Allen. They had Buzz voiced by a different actor for half of Toy Story 3, and he's really barely in Toy Story 4.
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Post by mrpon on Oct 31, 2021 10:14:20 GMT
It'll be a buzzing toy Lukus, with Tim Allens voice. Eurghhh eurggghh.
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Post by lexw on Oct 31, 2021 14:49:31 GMT
If you find the premise of this film confusing please don't play Kingdom Hearts 3, where the protagonists end up inside the universe of a game that is fictional within the Toy Story universe that exists on a planet in the Kingdom Hearts universe KH makes waaaaaaaaaaay more sense than this, because KH is consistently a meta-fictional thing and trans-universe and so on. You just accept that there's this universe where both FF and Disney characters exist, and nuts as that seemed back in the day, it's plain sailing from there. Whereas this is more confusingly positioned, at least currently. The natural, logical assumption would be that it's simply "a movie which exists in the Toy Story universe". It's not the first time we've come across that kind of meta-fiction. Stories within stories have existed for at the very least hundreds of years. That this isn't "the true story of Buzz Lightyear", it's "the origin movie for the Buzz Lightyear character". But the weirdly-phrased marketing and so on makes it seem almost like it's not intended to be meta-fiction, like it's not a movie from the Toy Story universe, but an entirely separate use of the same character, or even more strangely, it might be something that really happened in the Toy Story universe. I suspect it'll get cleared up eventually and I think it's most likely that the authorial intent is that it's a movie from the Toy Story universe. Of course it could be even stranger still - it could be the genuinely true story of Buzz Lightyear, from a separate reality from the Toy Story universe, which somehow (via dreams/vision/whatever) inspired the toy-designer within the Toy Story universe. So this is currently a more bizarrely-position bit of fiction than KH. Disney has always done a lot of unexplained metafiction though and doesn't give two sods about continuity outside of Star Wars/Marvel, so we also might never know. Re: Tim Allen I suspect there are two things going on - one, as britesparc pointed out, they've already used him a lot less, and people have commented that he's been not great to work with for the last decade or so, separately, and two, he's an IP risk, because he's increasingly the sort of person who might say something damn silly, whereas Evans is a professional.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:21:10 GMT
That is a very long post for a Buzz Lightyear film. It's really got to people, shows how well loved Toy Story was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:28:43 GMT
This is the film that spawned the toy. Or this is a film made about the toy. Either works and it's really not the mind blowingly crazy concept that some people seem to think it is.
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Post by rawshark on Oct 31, 2021 23:23:32 GMT
So… this isn’t a gritty reboot of Home Improvement?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 31, 2021 23:27:32 GMT
I wish it was.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 31, 2021 23:34:38 GMT
It’s standalone. It’s not in the TS universe. Literally a ‘if Buzz was real, like he thought he was, what’d that story be?’ This is that. It’s not that difficult to grasp. They did a different thing with the character.
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Post by neilka on Nov 1, 2021 0:17:56 GMT
I'm not sure who's taking the piss any more. It's about the real human in the Toy Story universe that the Buzz Lightyear toys were based on. That's it. Anyone else getting the premise of 2022 children's film Lightyear wrong will be banned.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 1, 2021 1:10:51 GMT
Does it really matter? It's a fun looking movie. Toy Story is a fun looking movie.
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Post by britesparc on Nov 1, 2021 1:19:16 GMT
According to the director it's supposed to be the film that the toy was based on - I think the quote was "the film Andy saw that made him want a Buzz Lightyear toy". So I guess that's that cleared up.
EXCEPT THAT this doesn't look like a film from 1994/95 (notwithstanding it's CGI, I mean how it's shot and its scale etc). So unless it's categorically stated otherwise in-fiction I'm going to continue to believe that this is a modern reboot/remake of the film or cartoon or TV show inspired by/the inspiration for the original 1995 Buzz Lightyear toy.
Also Chris Evans was only 14 in 1995.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 1, 2021 6:49:45 GMT
According to the director it's supposed to be the film that the toy was based on - I think the quote was "the film Andy saw that made him want a Buzz Lightyear toy". So I guess that's that cleared up. EXCEPT THAT this doesn't look like a film from 1994/95 (notwithstanding it's CGI, I mean how it's shot and its scale etc). So unless it's categorically stated otherwise in-fiction I'm going to continue to believe that this is a modern reboot/remake of the film or cartoon or TV show inspired by/the inspiration for the original 1995 Buzz Lightyear toy. Also Chris Evans was only 14 in 1995. Genuinely can't tell if this is serious. I think I'm too tired.
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 1, 2021 7:59:15 GMT
It’s based on Buzz Aldrin before he became a real person but after he was a plastic toy.
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Post by Derblington on Nov 1, 2021 8:43:00 GMT
Quote from the director, bold text my emphasis.
It's a standalone film, it's not canon to the Toy Story films. It's a sci-fi film about a space ranger who happens to be a character in a different movie too. A "What If...?", if you want to think about it like that.
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Post by Dgzter on Nov 1, 2021 8:49:32 GMT
Wonder if they'll do one on the real life inspiration for Mr Potato Head, and the sordid sexual abuse scandal.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 1, 2021 9:17:25 GMT
Thanks for your all hard work Derbs.
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Post by Derblington on Nov 1, 2021 9:26:44 GMT
You, specifically, are very welcome, Jambo.
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