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Sept 23, 2021 17:55:19 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 23, 2021 17:55:19 GMT
I don’t think I’ve ever finished a TOS one even though I’ve started a load of times. I appreciate it for what it is and getting the franchise started but I only ever go back as far as the movies if I’m honest.
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 23, 2021 19:47:04 GMT
TOS is mostly rubbish with some good episodes thrown in. I think it got a lot of love through being unique and genuinely ground breaking in terms of representation. If you've ever made it to season 3, my advice is simply, don't watch it.
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Sept 23, 2021 20:33:36 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 23, 2021 20:33:36 GMT
I do have a soft spot for the animated series though
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Post by nazo on Sept 23, 2021 21:34:40 GMT
I never managed to get into TAS, it just seems so weirdly lifeless, like the cast were just reading words off a script without knowing what was supposed to be going on.
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Sept 23, 2021 21:36:14 GMT
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Post by Lizard on Sept 23, 2021 21:36:14 GMT
I found them quite stiff iirc. I haven't rewatched ENT in years, I miss Dr Phlox and the casually racist outbursts of Shran. Jeffrey Coombs is a legend He is, that status being assured when he guest starred in an episode of Babylon 5 too. A dude.  If you've never watched Re-Animator then you really should, Combs is great. |
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Sept 23, 2021 21:45:03 GMT
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Post by razz on Sept 23, 2021 21:45:03 GMT
So the Enterprise episode Fusion basically has a rape scene in it? So did 1x04 unexpected, the one where Tucker gets impregnated. |
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 24, 2021 0:30:36 GMT
If you have the time and don't mind the awful formatting, this is an excellent breakdown of behind the scenes of Voyager and issues with how the themes were used from the writer Ronald D. Moore (he worked mostly on DS9, a little TNG and a bit of VOY. Best known for show running the Battlestar Galactica reboot, which could be seen as Voyager done right). www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118/Just read this interview, it's really great, he does get to the meat of the issue with a lot of the Trek series. It's funnyin that he also accidentally predicts Enterprise (this interview looks like it's from about twenty years ago) and the Abrams reboot, and manages to get his critiques of them in before they were even made! It's such a great read, despite the horrible/nonexistent formatting. I can only agree with pretty much anything he says. |
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 24, 2021 0:42:51 GMT
Inspired by simlpe I thought I'd start rewatching ENT today WTF, I totally forgot there is a straight up porn scene in the pilot.  Not only in the pilot. I liked T'Pol as a character, but the way ENT tried to attract audiences by softporning T'Pol is fucking appalling. |
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Sept 24, 2021 3:45:22 GMT
He is, that status being assured when he guest starred in an episode of Babylon 5 too. A dude. If you've never watched Re-Animator then you really should, Combs is great. Oh, the reasonable Psi Corps-person that showed up together with Ben Zayn? |
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Sept 24, 2021 8:02:08 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 24, 2021 8:02:08 GMT
TOS is mostly rubbish with some good episodes thrown in. I think it got a lot of love through being unique and genuinely ground breaking in terms of representation. If you've ever made it to season 3, my advice is simply, don't watch it. I think it is a bit unfair to call it mostly rubbish. Its main problem is that it is very repetitive. They go back to the same stories quite regularly, particularly "godlike being torments crew". It's product of its time where they just churned out a huge number of episodes. Obviously, it is also pretty dated and I could understand people struggling to go back to that. Worth watching if you don't mind the retro element and being selective with episodes would also help. Season 3 is terrible though. |
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Sept 24, 2021 8:52:30 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2021 8:52:30 GMT
Godlike being (apart from Q) is pretty much my least favourite episode type.
Next would be trapped in the holodeck. Although there are a couple if decent holodeck romance episodes (Geordi’s in TNG and the iphone one from Orville).
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Sept 24, 2021 9:29:11 GMT
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Post by gammonbanter on Sept 24, 2021 9:29:11 GMT
TOS is mostly rubbish with some good episodes thrown in. I think it got a lot of love through being unique and genuinely ground breaking in terms of representation. If you've ever made it to season 3, my advice is simply, don't watch it. I think it is a bit unfair to call it mostly rubbish. Its main problem is that it is very repetitive. They go back to the same stories quite regularly, particularly "godlike being torments crew". It's product of its time where they just churned out a huge number of episodes. Obviously, it is also pretty dated and I could understand people struggling to go back to that. Worth watching if you don't mind the retro element and being selective with episodes would also help. Season 3 is terrible though. Yeah, you've got to pick your episodes, but it's still worth a watch! I recently watched the ones with the gangster planet and the plot was hilarious, the acting charming and the set is glorious. Watch it with an open mind! I want new trek to re visit that planet! |
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Post by britesparc on Sept 24, 2021 9:44:20 GMT
Godlike being (apart from Q) is pretty much my least favourite episode type. Next would be trapped in the holodeck. Although there are a couple if decent holodeck romance episodes (Geordi’s in TNG and the iphone one from Orville). TNG struck gold with some early-doors holodeck episodes (Elementry, Dear Data and the Dixon Hill one) but the franchise definitely went back to that well far too often. I did really like in Picard how the technology had become so commonplace that Picard's office on the ship was just a holodeck recreation of his house in France. I guess if season 2 is going to be an extended time travel/alternate history episode we should just be glad it isn't an extended trapped-in-the-holodeck episode. |
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Sept 24, 2021 9:53:03 GMT
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Post by gammonbanter on Sept 24, 2021 9:53:03 GMT
You have probably revealed their big plot twist for the end of the season! 😆 Time travel is such a lazy plot device, I nearly walked out of End Game when it became apparent that was the angle they were taking. |
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Sept 24, 2021 10:09:48 GMT
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Post by nazo on Sept 24, 2021 10:09:48 GMT
Q is basically Trelane recast. The first few episodes with him are pretty dire but they got better later. The character mostly works because de Lancie is so brilliant.
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Sept 24, 2021 11:20:51 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 24, 2021 11:20:51 GMT
Q is basically Trelane recast. The first few episodes with him are pretty dire but they got better later. The character mostly works because de Lancie is so brilliant. I don't know. I really enjoy his appearance in Encounter at Farpoint and judge Q is possibly my favourite incarnation of him. Just the right levels of camp without losing his menace. The rest of the episode is comatosed, but his scenes are great. Hide and Q is fine initially, but isn't great overall. Main issue is with Riker's story rather than Q though. Then you have Q Who, which is peak Q for me. The later episodes make him more and more into a comic figure, which is fine, but less interesting than his earlier depiction. |
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Sept 24, 2021 11:41:42 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2021 11:41:42 GMT
I wonder what they’ll do with Q in Picard season 2
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 11:43:42 GMT
"Probably the best TNG moment" says the blurb. It's up there.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 24, 2021 11:45:47 GMT
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Sept 24, 2021 13:15:27 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2021 13:15:27 GMT
Almost at the end of season 1 of Enterprise. I’m enjoying that they’re flying effectively the worst ship in the galaxy even if they do still have access to some plot-magic levels of science when needed.
Episodes like the wraiths and the hivemind thing are a really nice change of pace from humanoids. I suppose its got the prequel issue that they can’t engage too much with many of the traditional major races as their big introductions happen later in the timeline but its coping with it well so far.
Its definitely all a but grey though. I’m not sure I’d be going through them so fast if it wasn’t for them being the background viewing for my working from home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 14:56:19 GMT
I wonder what they’ll do with Q in Picard season 2 take a dump on his character (not a real one) but no doubt mess up his character like they did with Picard, 7/9 and icheb |
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Sept 24, 2021 15:28:24 GMT
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Post by gammonbanter on Sept 24, 2021 15:28:24 GMT
I wonder what they’ll do with Q in Picard season 2 take a dump on his character (not a real one) but no doubt mess up his character like they did with Picard, 7/9 and icheb Will we get a "previously on Star Trek: The Next Generation" followed by a montage of Q clips? /Would actually love that |
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 24, 2021 18:52:12 GMT
TOS has many ehh episodes but also many pretty great ones. What carries me most through the show is the main trio which are just super likeable and have this amazing chemistry. I like its relatively campy nature compared to later shows, and I love the aesthetics with the bold colours and randomly blinking coloured lamps. Best-looking bridge in the history of Trek. Season 3 is weak but still not quite as bad as TNG S1. Overall it's my 3rd favourite Trek series after DS9 and TNG.
As for Q, I love him. De Lancie really saved Encounter at Farpoint, or should I say, made it somewhat watchable. Encounter at Farpoint is basically a mediocre episode badly executed, retroactively bookended by the Q stuff to make it long enough for a two-parter, and especially that part is just trash really. With a lesser actor it would have gone down in flames like the following episodes. I find it interesting how even Patrick Stewart seems lost in the early episodes, it's definitely De Lancie who left an impression in the episode, not Stewart.
The next Q episode was reject TOS episode rubbish and they paired him with awkward early S1 Riker which didn't work at all, easily the worst Q episode for me, at least in TNG. Q Who is where he really took off in my opinion, wisely being paired again with a now great Picard in an actually good episode.
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Sept 24, 2021 19:35:19 GMT
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Post by gammonbanter on Sept 24, 2021 19:35:19 GMT
Q nearly stole the show at the end of 'Best of Both Worlds'.....
"For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered. *That* is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence."
Pow, right in the heart and mind!
But then it was followed up with the poker scene and it was sublime!
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Sept 24, 2021 19:35:28 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2021 19:35:28 GMT
Those early TNG soundstage sets look so much worse than they did in TOS
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Sept 24, 2021 19:43:52 GMT
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 24, 2021 19:43:52 GMT
I'm watching TNG in the background whilst I work at the moment. First time I've settled into it since the old BBC2 at 6pm days. Into S2 now and I find the dodgy sets quite endearing. A nice sort of carryover from TOS.
Favourite bits I'm noticing this time round so far are the cracking stuntman wigs and Riker's constant straddling of chairs.
Also was not expecting to see Picard headshot an admiral.
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Sept 24, 2021 19:47:55 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 24, 2021 19:47:55 GMT
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Sept 24, 2021 19:50:59 GMT
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 24, 2021 19:50:59 GMT
Hah! It's just so weirdly unnecessary The galaxy's crappest alpha move. |
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Sept 24, 2021 19:54:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 19:54:29 GMT
Hah! It's just so weirdly unnecessary The galaxy's crappest alpha move. Just for the crowd, that was not an affectation. He had a fucked up back so was easier for him than normal sitting down in real life. |
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Sept 24, 2021 20:07:43 GMT
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Post by spacein_vader on Sept 24, 2021 20:07:43 GMT
Hah! It's just so weirdly unnecessary The galaxy's crappest alpha move. Ah yes, widely known as the Riker Manoeuvre. Once you see it you can't unsee it. |
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