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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 8:36:43 GMT
The ferengi in the image above looks cool to be fair. I actually liked the Klingon's in Season 1 too. I think updating alien races is fine, I don't care about canon for that.
They should look exotic and alien, not some extra with slice of vienetta on their face
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 11, 2021 8:38:07 GMT
If the Ferengi actually looked like that concept I'd be okay with it. But it doesn't look like that, it looks like an expressionless mask carved from wood. I'm not too bothered as I won't be watching. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 11, 2021 8:40:22 GMT
The ferengi in the image above looks cool to be fair. I actually liked the Klingon's in Season 1 too. I think updating alien races is fine, I don't care about canon for that. They should look exotic and alien, not some extra with slice of vienetta on their face If the show had been good I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, but given how crap Disco has been their pointless reinvention of the wheel just feels gratuitous. |
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Post by myk on Oct 11, 2021 9:17:41 GMT
I whinge about all of Discovery’s missed opportunities but I’m totally going to watch every episode when season 4 starts I think that's the thing, missed opportunities. The first couple of episodes of S3 were pretty good, right up until they find Starfleet and get their upgrades and everything is back to normal. Not one episode where a rogue starfleet ship has taken over a sector, or joined the Emerald Chain or any sign that Starfleet's moral compass has shifted. |
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Post by britesparc on Oct 11, 2021 9:36:41 GMT
The Klingons in s1 bothered me a little bit because we'd never seen Klingons look like that before, and the depiction of their society didn't really gel with how it was shown in other ST series.
The Ferengi doesn't bother me, it just looks a normal Ferengi but a bit wrinklier really.
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Post by razz on Oct 11, 2021 9:47:16 GMT
I bated the new uniforms last season, but they seem to have tightened them up a bit. They look a lot better
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 10:12:39 GMT
Enterprise finished.
The crew really did get done dirty with that midseason filler episode as a finale, neither the Riker plot nor the Shran/Tucker one fit at all. Especially not after Elizabeth in Terra Prime. At the very least I thought it was building toward Archer giving a version of those lines as his address to the assembly.
Overall though, I’d not really watched the series since it first aired and aside from a couple of episodes here and there like A Mirror Darkly everything I remembered about the show was from the first season. Its a lot less grey and more fun than I remembered.
I’m guessing there are lots of fan proposed alternative endings which I’m not going to look up but mine would be to fold Archer’s speech into Terra Prime. That way you get a big angle which gives an emotional pay off to the crew and a franchise closing scene to end the Berman Braga era. And let Archer actually deliver it this time.
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 11:07:17 GMT
Torn as to whether to return to my TOS watch (left at Space Seed a couple of years ago) or to start on the movies now
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Post by nazo on Oct 11, 2021 11:20:43 GMT
Discovery feels like a modern TV show that doesn't care about the franchise's baggage. I'd forgotten that Bones was in Encounter at Farpoint. Reading up on it, apparently the appearance wasn't credited as McCoy because Roddenberry wanted a clean break from TOS but it was obviously him and was there as a bit of fan service and a nod to the series' history.
I don't really care if the new series want to mess with Trek history, break with canon, update the aliens etc. I just want a good show with well-written stories, ideally ones that stick to the series' spirit. Sadly neither DSC or Picard manage that though.
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 11:38:13 GMT
I think Discovery gets a longer leash because aside from Pike and Spock it might as well be a completely original independent show. Picard suffers slightly more by giving well established existing characters new life.
Riker and Troi retiring together made sense, Seven as a character from Firefly less so.
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Post by razz on Oct 11, 2021 12:54:54 GMT
I'm watching DS9 now. I was going to watch TOS next but I can't be bothered. All this recent talk of DS9 has made me miss it.
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 12:57:56 GMT
Obviously I appreciate TOS and its iconic and all that but its dated in a way that I don’t think I can sustain a binge watch the way I can with the others.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 11, 2021 13:16:39 GMT
I'm on the last episode of series 2 now and there were a lot more interesting episodes than the first (and weirdly a lot of romance episodes - even Quark got in on it). The Marquis episodes were really good and I'm glad the Winn stuff is still ongoing. I find Vedek Bereil quite creepy for some reason. Might just be because he looks like Cliff Richard and has a funny walk where his arms don't move I like that there are times when the characters don't agree or clearly disapprove of each others beliefs or actions and it isn't really resolved (the looks Dax gets after going on her revenge mission) Garak and Dukat had good episodes in this series too - the side characters really are good in this. Nog is low-key a great character as well and even Jake and Sisko's relationship is interesting The episode with O'Brian being taken to Cardassia to stand trial was tonally quite odd. The judge scared me and they pulled his teeth and forcefully tore all his clothes off, but their judicial syetem is too silly to be taken seriously and the lawyer was pretty funny - "YOU FLATTER ME! YOU FLATTER ME!" I find O'Brian quite interesting in that he really stands out from the other characters. He's very 'normal', quite grumpy (but not endearingly so like Odo), kind of boring, he looks like a Hobbit, and his relationship with his wife isn't great (this is even mentioned in the show) Bashir has become much more likable now too
edit: I hope Morn gets his own episode eventually
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 11, 2021 18:24:58 GMT
edit: I hope Morn gets his own episode eventually He does, sort of. |
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 11, 2021 18:51:19 GMT
I watched an episode of TNG this afternoon where they rescued some Space Irish Sterotypes, Riker sexed one of them up and then Picard eventually secretly agreed to palm them off as sex slaves to a bunch of inbred clones.
God, TNG can be utter shit when it wants to be. Which is surprisingly often now I'm rewatching it.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 11, 2021 19:23:46 GMT
If you are watching it in order than you are still in the second season, so it will have mostly been shite. Season 3 onwards is more consistently good (with 7 being the biggest drop in quality).
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 11, 2021 20:00:13 GMT
The Jem Hadar stepping out of the containment field on the CC was a pretty badarse move  |
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Post by anephric on Oct 11, 2021 21:02:12 GMT
I hope they go back to Gene Roddenberry's original notions for the Ferengi, in that they have enormous cocks and staggering sexual techniques, beloved by earth women.
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 21:14:45 GMT
So progressive
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 21:28:19 GMT
Shatner looks in pretty good nick for 90 in the news stories about Bezos space cock
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 11, 2021 21:29:34 GMT
Doesn't he famously think Star Trek fans are quite sad?
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Post by simple on Oct 11, 2021 23:28:07 GMT
That’s a shame. He seems so upbeat and into just embracing whatever feels good otherwise.
Although I tried to watch Space Seed earlier and couldn’t handle the 60s-ness. Breaking out my movie boxset instead and since only one of the ten films is over two hours it shouldn’t take long to blast through them while working from home.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 12, 2021 7:48:48 GMT
I hope they go back to Gene Roddenberry's original notions for the Ferengi, in that they have enormous cocks and staggering sexual techniques, beloved by earth women. I remember reading somewhere that they were meant to be a very humourous exaggeration of anti-Semitic depiction of Jewish people that just ended up being anti-Semitic. I told people this finding and then thought I should probably look up who this came from. I could no longer find this information anywhere. Not sure if it is possible to have your own personal Mandela Effect, but I'm sure I didn't imagine reading this and that it was from a reliable source, even if it no longer exists anywhere on the Internet. |
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Post by simple on Oct 12, 2021 7:58:53 GMT
I’ve read the same too
Grasping untrustworthy wealth hungry little troll men does sit quite closely to a lot of antisemitic tropes and cartoons
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 12, 2021 8:02:47 GMT
People calling them trolls in the show, even to their face, always seems weird to me
And Dax's series 3 hair is even bigger!
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Oct 12, 2021 8:15:02 GMT
It does also pretty well describe the state of humanity at the moment. We are wealth hungry little troll men and women.
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Post by britesparc on Oct 12, 2021 9:09:58 GMT
I watched an episode of TNG this afternoon where they rescued some Space Irish Sterotypes, Riker sexed one of them up and then Picard eventually secretly agreed to palm them off as sex slaves to a bunch of inbred clones. God, TNG can be utter shit when it wants to be. Which is surprisingly often now I'm rewatching it. I would never call Up the Long Ladder a "good" episode, but it is one of my favourite episodes. Although quite why I can stomach Paddy O'Shamrock attempting to brew moonshine on the Enterprise, but find the tone of Lower Decks entirely un-Star Trek-like, is a mystery for the ages. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 9:18:05 GMT
I've read hundreds of posts on new Trek and I think all of the issues stem from the 2009 movie. Like much of JJ's work, it's style over substance, and melodrama in place of coherent writing.
That's it really. It worked very well once, and has been depreciating returns ever since. Like some crazed drug addict, Paramount and CBS are desperately trying to rediscover that first hit, but they won't.
I would absolutely love to see the viewing figures for these shows. I expect the numbers are pitiful, but they really need content for their streaming services and Star Trek is a big name.
So here we are. A 4th season of a terrible show, a 2nd season of a mediocre one, some cartoons, and another 2 shows in the works which will probably suffer from all the same issues.
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Post by anephric on Oct 12, 2021 12:34:47 GMT
How do you do anything with that now, though? New fans like Kelvin Trek and all whizz-bang dark edgey lens flare. Old fans want TNG relationships and talkiness.
Ne'er the twain shall meet.
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Post by simple on Oct 12, 2021 12:43:12 GMT
I bet the new series have both been doing pretty solid numbers
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