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Post by patrick on Oct 1, 2021 10:12:31 GMT
Really enjoyed the new episode of Lower Decks. Thought the cameo was great too.
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 1, 2021 14:50:33 GMT
Mayweather's actor is so bad, every line he has makes me laugh. Yoshi was bad at first but has got a lot better. Maybe the writing for her has got better too, she was very annoying in s1 T'Pol... Well... I feel bad for her character but I always got the feeling that the actress wasn't hired for the right er... reasons. Well pbviously. But it's confusing sometimes I can't tell if she's brilliantly playing a young Vulcan battling with emotional control or is just an adult entertainer. :/ It's not easy to be an actor who's supposed to play a character who doesn't show any emotions, and the inherent danger that everyone will think they're a bad actor. I think there was a VOY episode lampshading this. Personally I think Blalock does a fine job, T'Pol's superficial disattachment comes across well without feeling forced imo. And when T'Pol is troubled, I think Blalock's performance does a pretty good job at that too. I'm not talking Patrick Stewart levels of acting, but I never feel Blalock is not up to the job. Sadly I can't say the same about Mayweather. His first problem is that he's just token black guy, the second is that Anthony Montgomery's acting is super bland. There is one Mayweather episode that involves his family, and in his arguments with his brother, his brother's actor completely steals the scene, Montgomery sadly leaving no impression at all. I think T'Pol's acting is much more engaging and on point than Mayweather's. By the way, Jolene Blalock is also a self-confessed TOS fan and she was really passionate about ENT. Perhaps not least thanks to that, she's also one of the most outspoken of the cast, voicing unusually blunt criticism about what the show did wrong. She complained that the show was boring and lacking intriguing content early on, she said that you can have sexiness in a TV show but you can't use it as a substitute for storytelling, she condemned the final episode as "appalling" even before it aired. I fully agree with her on all of that. I also had my reservations about her mostly on the grounds that I thought she was cast for the tits, but she has much more to say and I must say, given the material she really does a pretty good job imo. |
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 1, 2021 19:20:42 GMT
Being on my 3rd or 4th Trekathon, I like to pay attention to things I hadn't paid attention to before. One of them is, "was this written by a man or a woman"? You know, when some creep comes along and Deanna instantly falls in love with him, a guy wrote that. When it's about some colony and there's some woman who finds interest in Data and hesitantly ends up kissing him, that was written by a woman.
Riker being alpha is usually written by a man. In The Outcast, he was written by a woman and he is surprisingly calm and quiet and a great listener.
I don't know, I find it very interesting.
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Post by simple on Oct 1, 2021 19:51:01 GMT
On my Enterprise watch I’ve been surprised by how many episodes have a female director.
Although of course most episodes are credited to story by Berman & Braga
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 1, 2021 20:03:55 GMT
Finished series 1 of DS9. Last 2 episodes were really strong. Knew alomst as soon as it was mentioned that the person from the prison camp was going to be a Cardassian but the rest was great. I really think Kira is comfortably the most interesting character in the show so far
Series finale was also really good and didn't end with a cliffhanger, which seemed unusual. Hopefully it's the beginning of a longer arc though. Vedek Winn is very well cast. Very dark couple of episodes so hopefully series 2 opens with something a bit lighter
AOB I'm convinced Dax's hair is expanding and the Cardassians design really makes me thing of the Strogg from Quake 2
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Post by gammonbanter on Oct 2, 2021 0:05:04 GMT
What the fuck is this jazzed up new S3 theme tune?! Its even worse than before Don't like the jazzed up to be honest. But the lyrics, damn, they hit home! "It's been a long road, gettin from there to here...." We're there and they are here....."I can reach any staaaarrrr" /absolutely pasted |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 2, 2021 6:40:57 GMT
Being on my 3rd or 4th Trekathon, I like to pay attention to things I hadn't paid attention to before. One of them is, "was this written by a man or a woman"? You know, when some creep comes along and Deanna instantly falls in love with them, a guy wrote that. When it's about some colony and there's some woman who finds interest in Data and hesitantly ends up kissing him, that was written by a woman. Badass Riker punching everyone in the face is usually written by a man. In The Outcast, he was written by a woman and he is surprisingly calm and a fantastic listener. I don't know, I find it very interesting. All that said, Code of Honour was written by a Katharyn Powers (based on a Roddenberry story, granted). To go slightly off topic, the same writer also wrote Emancipation for Stargate SG1 which is pretty much the *exact* same story. |
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Post by britesparc on Oct 2, 2021 7:41:50 GMT
Am I right in thinking that none of the racist stuff in Code of Honor was actually in the screenplay though? They just meet this race who are warlike and have a duel, but the script didn't actually specify they all had to be Black actors in a quasi-African sort of setting.
I seem to remember reading that all that stuff came from the director, who never worked on Trek again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 9:09:57 GMT
Am I right in thinking that none of the racist stuff in Code of Honor was actually in the screenplay though? They just meet this race who are warlike and have a duel, but the script didn't actually specify they all had to be Black actors in a quasi-African sort of setting. I seem to remember reading that all that stuff came from the director, who never worked on Trek again. a director does not normally cast anyone for a tv show, especially lots of people. Casting is done by someone else for tv |
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Post by simple on Oct 2, 2021 9:18:53 GMT
Was Code of Honor one of the leftover ideas from TOS/Phase 2 because using “African” design choices like something I could Kirk running into
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 2, 2021 9:26:33 GMT
Was Code of Honor one of the leftover ideas from TOS/Phase 2 because using “African” design choices like something I could Kirk running into I believe that's the case. If we go back to the earlier discussion about how progressive Trek was, well, Code of Honor really doesn't do much for "it was progressive" case... |
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Post by razz on Oct 2, 2021 9:38:10 GMT
Enterprise retcons why there are so many "Human" colonies that don't identify as human anymore. Arc ships left during the Eugenic wars/WW3 to First Contact, literally forgetting about Earth and renaming themselves something new.
I think the "Aliens" in Code of Honour were one of those.
Speak for yourselves, Code of Honour wasn't offensive at all, we need more black majority world's lol All the humanoid Aliens are mostly "white" lol
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Post by simple on Oct 2, 2021 12:27:39 GMT
Speaking of recycled TOS style ideas, this Rajin episode feels like it should be shot in pure vaseline-lensed soft focus
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 2, 2021 14:47:32 GMT
I don't know if any of you are readers of the novelverse that continued the 24th century post-Nemesis, but the first book in the Coda trilogy got released this week, and the gist of it is that they are using a huge crossover temporal shenanigan to explain why the last twenty years of published shared universe book history didn't line up with what was presented in season 1 of Picard.
Sort of a Trek History version of "Crisis On Infinite Earths". I just finished the first one, and without giving too much away, the fact that they are collapsing an entire timeline in favour of a new one has given the authors the excuse to go all out with the shock factor.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 2, 2021 14:57:26 GMT
Wow, the opening episodes of the second series of DS9 are strong. Only seen the first 2 so far but this is great
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Post by razz on Oct 2, 2021 15:59:28 GMT
Blue_MikeI've been waiting for these to release for a while, I totally for got about it! Love Daytopn Ward. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 16:07:11 GMT
I'm reading one of the Horus Heresy books by James Swallow at the moment. It's ok. Workmanlike.
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 3, 2021 0:25:22 GMT
Code of Honor was originally about a Reptilian species. Wil Wheaton recalls in 2008:
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Post by simple on Oct 3, 2021 8:02:41 GMT
Six episodes into Enterprise season 3 and for a nightmarish hell void beyond the stars the expanse seems basically fine. Certainly not anymore extreme than the Delta Quadrant.
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Post by technoish on Oct 3, 2021 8:11:07 GMT
Code of Honor was originally about a Reptilian species. Wil Wheaton recalls in 2008: It says he's "read" not that he recalls, though! |
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 3, 2021 10:03:31 GMT
Yeah, or he recalls that he read it. Could have worded that differently, I cited him just to let him give his account. That part is in the Wiki article on the episode, and it lists Wheaton's retrospective review of the episode as source. I haven't found another source for this, so I guess it's not necessarily reliable information.
Regarding the reptilian species, the source for that seems to be some book named "Creating the Next Generation" that is apparently about the creation process mostly of season 1 episodes. So to be honest, I guess I can't be 100% sure about that either.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 3, 2021 14:30:29 GMT
Why are Klingons so popular? They eat worms/jelly snakes
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 3, 2021 14:36:41 GMT
Sex appeal
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 3, 2021 14:48:16 GMT
I'm quite partial to Ferengi myself
What are your thoughts on Duet by the way? The last 4 or 5 episodes have all been great (end of series 1, start of series 2) so I suppose we were due the Bashir romance episode. I'm thinking there's still more to come with Winn because it seemed to end rather abrupt and inconclusively
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 3, 2021 15:11:42 GMT
Duet is imo one of the strongest episodes of Star Trek period. It's really upsetting. Being German perhaps amplifies my response because we're very conscious about what my grandparent/great-grandparent generations did, and the analogy isn't exactly subtle. Gul Darheel/Marritza displaying pride in their deeds really hits home, and superb acting from both actors, writing and direction just come together perfectly. I can watch Gul Darheel claiming that genocide was just a day's work for him for the 100th time, and it still sends a chill down my spine.
As for Winn, you mentioned she's greatly cast (I agree) but she actually gets better. I think her early appearance hurts the character a little because it's too fond of murder and terrorism, but she'll get more complex soon. At times, she's not depicted as simply evil, but having real motivation and background that you can sympathise with. What makes her so impactful to me is that she reminds me greatly of an influential person in my previous church community (my mother was an organist, so I got to know a lot of the crap going on behind the scenes). Winn is so similar she strikes me as a very real life character, superbly acted and most of the time greatly written.
And most importantly, Sisko and Kira can't just fly away from her for next week's episode. Winn is here to stay and they have to deal with her.
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Post by simple on Oct 3, 2021 15:58:07 GMT
Recurring characters like Winn probably get more depth that some of the regular cast of the other shows. DS9 is the one which feels most like its set in a part of a real living society (the quadrant/federation not just the station)
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 3, 2021 16:05:44 GMT
Winn is a great character who grows and becomes nuanced, before having her character derailed and made more two-dimensionally evil right at the end (much the same with Dukat.)
I blame the Pah-Wraiths.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 3, 2021 16:08:31 GMT
Duet is imo one of the strongest episodes of Star Trek period. It's really upsetting. Being German perhaps amplifies my response because we're very conscious about what my grandparent/great-grandparent generations did, and the analogy isn't exactly subtle. Gul Darheel/Marritza displaying pride in their deeds really hits home, and superb acting from both actors, writing and direction just come together perfectly. I can watch Gul Darheel claiming that genocide was just a day's work for him for the 100th time, and it still sends a chill down my spine. As for Winn, you mentioned she's greatly cast (I agree) but she actually gets better. I think her early appearance hurts the character a little because it's too fond of murder and terrorism, but she'll get more complex soon. At times, she's not depicted as simply evil, but having real motivation and background that you can sympathise with. What makes her so impactful to me is that she reminds me greatly of an influential person in my previous church community (my mother was an organist, so I got to know a lot of the crap going on behind the scenes). Winn is so similar she strikes me as a very real life character, superbly acted and most of the time greatly written. And most importantly, Sisko and Kira can't just fly away from her for next week's episode. Winn is here to stay and they have to deal with her. I can recall the line you mean. The ending made the whole thing feel especially tragic
I love Winn. She's got being passive aggressive down to an art form. The interaction with her on the bridge with Kira and the Vedek was impenetrable. Practically every word out of her mouth was an insult. The kind of person that isn't easy to deal with as she's so skilled at avoiding confrontation.
Just had the first mention of the Dominion as well, which I believe becomes more important as time goes on. Quark's romance episode was pretty good
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Post by razz on Oct 3, 2021 18:34:22 GMT
S03E10 ST Enterprise
Similitude was a hard episode, I loved it but damn what a tear jerker.
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Post by simple on Oct 3, 2021 18:51:38 GMT
S03E10 ST Enterprise Similitude was a hard episode, I loved it but damn what a tear jerker. I’m on The Shipment so should hit that one tomorrow morning. Fun season so far. |
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