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Sept 27, 2021 11:39:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 11:39:45 GMT
I found the start of ENT to be terrible in that regard. Leering letches that was never a thing in earlier series. Maybe they were supposed to be more primitive? |
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Post by razz on Sept 27, 2021 12:18:46 GMT
Team Kasidy Yates here, I was so happy to see her on the Orville too  |
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Sept 27, 2021 15:08:40 GMT
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Post by razz on Sept 27, 2021 15:08:40 GMT
What's up with season 2 of Star Trek ENT, boring as hell so far. Funny as season 1 wasn't so bad and season I remember 3and especially 4 being quite good
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Sept 27, 2021 16:22:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 16:22:44 GMT
Finally watching the Orville now it is on Disney. It is fantastic isn't it? Episode 6 could have gone straight into TNG or DS9 with just name changes.
Who knew that star trek would become a bit pooh, while a comedian makes a fan show that has all the heart and soul of classic trek? I can't imagine Discovery or Picard pulling off the lines like "they aren't my enemy." "They are now."
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Sept 27, 2021 17:34:40 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 27, 2021 17:34:40 GMT
There are some that aren’t just like TNG/DS9/VOY episodes, they’d be very highly rated ones
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 17:37:48 GMT
Watched a trailer for the first series and it just looks like an obnoxious US comedy. Is it not representative of the show?
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Sept 27, 2021 17:43:48 GMT
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Post by razz on Sept 27, 2021 17:43:48 GMT
It is at first. It's that awful cringey try hard humour. Fortunately it subsides quickly and it finds a balance that works, especially in season 2. It is actually laugh out loud funny sometimes though, I won't spoil it. But there is an episode where a crew member grows a moustache and starts smoking that still makes me laugh just thinking about it.  |
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Sept 27, 2021 17:59:46 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 27, 2021 17:59:46 GMT
Watched a trailer for the first series and it just looks like an obnoxious US comedy. Is it not representative of the show? The first episode is kind of like that, then very quickly it goes from looking like a parody of Trek to a loving homage that knows how silly Trek is to having some episodes of straightforward classic Trek |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 18:10:50 GMT
The silliness is part of what makes it enjoyable. The conversation between Bashir and O'Brain in the shuttle on the way down to the planet in The Storyteller did a good job of endearing him to me a bit. Then there's the scene where someone literally tries to stab O'Brian in the back with a knife but then, after a struggle to disarm him, they have a sit down with him to discuss how they can help him lead his village. About that attempted murder...
Progress OTOH, is a very good episode for Kira
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Sept 27, 2021 18:22:21 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 27, 2021 18:22:21 GMT
If it helps it shares writers, directors, producers and cast members with TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Its not Family Guy in space or anything.
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Sept 27, 2021 18:24:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 18:24:35 GMT
There are some that aren’t just like TNG/DS9/VOY episodes, they’d be very highly rated ones Krill for me is not Measure of a man or tapestry, but fuck me, it is the first Trek in 20 years that feels like a classic trek effort. I am genuinely excited to see what is coming up. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 18:26:11 GMT
If it helps it shares writers, directors, producers and cast members with TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Its not Family Guy in space or anything. Who's in it? |
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Sept 27, 2021 18:28:38 GMT
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Post by gammonbanter on Sept 27, 2021 18:28:38 GMT
In my head McFarlane had to sell it to the network as Family Guy in space, and he gave them that for the trailer and the first few episodes and then did his own (very good) thing.
It's unfortunate that for British viewers of a certain age, 'The Orville' is that adorable puppet that wishesd he could fly! 😉
Anyway between The Orville and Lower Decks we're in a good time to be a Trek fan!
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Sept 27, 2021 18:43:03 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 27, 2021 18:43:03 GMT
If it helps it shares writers, directors, producers and cast members with TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Its not Family Guy in space or anything. Who's in it? Brannon Braga helps write/produce/direct Jonathan Frakes directs Tom Paris directs Cassidy Yates is a regular cast member Plus guest spots from Troi, Tuvok, The Doctor, Doctor Phlox, and a bunch of guys who played various aliens along the way And the regular crew really work as a Trek cast. Its clearly made with a lot of love. |
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Sept 28, 2021 8:33:30 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 28, 2021 8:33:30 GMT
Enterprise rewatch S2 E8
Reed has dropped his phone
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 16:07:14 GMT
Some on the net kept on saying the Orville was parody/satire of ST but its really not. the 1st episode did put some off with its "family guy" humour (not its really FG at all)
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 28, 2021 16:57:35 GMT
It's weird, the bit of banter and humour make it more relatable than classic trek. Like on TNG, everyone was a bit too perfect.
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 28, 2021 18:14:50 GMT
Yeah, TNG characters often feel more like ideals than actual people, at least early on. What's also grating me during my current TNG rewatch how full it is of itself about humanity being so great and advanced, our heroes flying around the galaxy to condescend to lesser cultures and rub their noses in our moral superiority. I think one of the things that makes Q likeable is that he calls BS on that.
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Sept 28, 2021 18:17:31 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 28, 2021 18:17:31 GMT
I think the Enterprise crew are starting to warm on me even of only four of them have personalities.
They do spend a lot of time showering and decontaminating though
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Sept 28, 2021 18:18:19 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 28, 2021 18:18:19 GMT
Four if “vulcan” counts as a personality type
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 28, 2021 23:53:43 GMT
She definitely has a personality. It can easily be missed because she's not the most extroverted person in the galaxy
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 29, 2021 0:27:11 GMT
Episode name: "Violations". Forgot what episode that was, but first thought: Troi episode. Yep. edit: about Nemesis. I'll add spoiler tags even though I discourage anyone from watching it. So, Troi is mind-raped by Shinzon for no other plot purpose than to make Shinzon more hateable or something. And then she asks Picard if she can take a day off, and Picard is like "nope". Am I too cynical in suspecting that this has something to do with Berman or other execs being vindictive about Marina Sirtis demanding equal pay? (they threatened to replace her with Jeri Ryan, but Ryan refused so in the end they paid Sirtis what she demanded). |
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Sept 29, 2021 8:20:46 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 29, 2021 8:20:46 GMT
Speaking of violation
Enterprise Stigma, sequel to an episode where T’pol gets mind-raped, is just the most clunking AIDS allegory
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Sept 29, 2021 10:46:07 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 29, 2021 10:46:07 GMT
If I remember rightly, don't they do a story with T'Pol being unable to control her emotions? I recall thinking that it was either a clever bit of long form storytelling or a retcon to explain why the actor playing T'Pol wasn't very good at being emotionless.
Vulcans were treated like shit by Enterprise. They were shown as treating humans like children and unfairly, even though they were mostly in the right.
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Sept 29, 2021 11:21:55 GMT
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Post by razz on Sept 29, 2021 11:21:55 GMT
Yeah, rewatching this I'm beginning to understand the Vulcan's opposition to Archer being the Captain. He's so reckless lol he can be kindhearted but he's mostly a dickhead.
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Sept 29, 2021 11:59:09 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 29, 2021 11:59:09 GMT
I quite like the portrayal of the Vulcans in this. It keeps them just alien enough while remaining familiar.
Plus they’d largely retreated from being an active force in the quadrant in the three TNG period shows so its nice to see them taking part.
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Sept 29, 2021 13:48:13 GMT
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Post by razz on Sept 29, 2021 13:48:13 GMT
Star Trek ENT - Cease Fire
I love Jeffery Coombs as Shran, great episode.
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Post by simple on Sept 29, 2021 14:18:13 GMT
Star Trek ENT - Cease Fire I love Jeffery Coombs as Shran, great episode. Just finished the same episode. He’s brilliant, isn’t he? |
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Sept 29, 2021 15:54:29 GMT
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Post by simple on Sept 29, 2021 15:54:29 GMT
Almost at the end of season 2 and I’ve only just reached my first space ghost possession episode. And they call this Star Trek.
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Sept 29, 2021 16:17:40 GMT
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Post by razz on Sept 29, 2021 16:17:40 GMT
That was quick, did you skip any episodes. I'll admit that I skipped Carbon Creek, currently watching Canamar
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