Ulythium
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Post by Ulythium on Jan 27, 2024 21:57:57 GMT
Nah, this is pure pettiness straight up.
On second thoughts, I agree.
I initially assumed it was the work of an incompetent PR person, who didn't understand the Streisand Effect that would ensue if a review code was withheld from the biggest gaming site on the planet; however, even if that explanation is broadly accurate, pettiness would still be the root cause when all's said and done.
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dfawkes
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Post by dfawkes on Jan 27, 2024 22:51:13 GMT
I honestly don't think the preview would've even put that many people off. The first couple of paragraphs just whine about how you kill the Justice League in a game called Kill the Justice League, so anyone interested in the game would probably ignore the multitude of issues the preview goes on to point out.
I was hoping Rocksteady would say what changes they'd made after the alpha, as it might've been flawed but there were sparks of potential fun just begging to claw their way out. Even basics damage tweaks would help so you don't feel as squishy.
Anyway, only 2 and a bit days everyone!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 27, 2024 23:22:33 GMT
I mean sure like what you like, but I was bored after one day of the Alpha. Yeah the story was somewhat intriguing but the gameplay was so repetitive in such a way I couldn't see myself having the stamina to get to the finish line of however long the campaign is. For the life of me I can't imagine what I played is now dramatically different enough to change my mind.
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Post by dfawkes on Jan 27, 2024 23:34:43 GMT
I bet it's identical. I bet they haven't fixed the bugs in the cutscenes I had (and they had, in one of their own streams). The core gameplay certainly won't have changed and as you say, it's just a bit boring.
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Post by apollo on Jan 28, 2024 8:27:29 GMT
Sure the publishers want to give out early review codes to sites that give it 9/10 or higher (maybe 8/10) Sure there will be small shitty sites (and bigger shill sites) that would give 9/10 - (masterpiece -must buy!!!111) to get those clicks.
Ages ago the turds at Roosterteeth were slagging off negative reviews of fallout 4 (including Jeff's at giantbomb) while the RT people sat their on video podcast with lots of fallout 4 swag they got from the publisher!
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 28, 2024 8:33:43 GMT
That clip shows up on my youtube feed every now and then and it always makes me laugh.
Such a reliable group to discuss the matter..
Not Jeff Keighley mountain Dew/Doritos levels but still bad. They also just sound like complete pricks while talking.
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Post by Duffking on Jan 28, 2024 11:27:46 GMT
one of the guys in that video is basically a rapist as well
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 28, 2024 11:28:46 GMT
You really should check out the suicide squad subreddit whenever you get a chance it might as well be called r/gettingoffendedonbehalfofcorporations
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Post by Duffking on Jan 28, 2024 12:08:18 GMT
I guess it's got a large cross section with the people who think DC vs Marvel is an actual thing you're supposed to pick sides in
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Post by dfawkes on Jan 28, 2024 12:56:28 GMT
I did see on the sub-reddit that the guy doing the full IGN review platinumed Avengers. I love Avengers but there are a couple of trophies which require some heavy grinding (at least 50 hours) of the same content. If that guy can't wring some pleasure out of Suicide Squad, I don't think anyone will be able to.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 28, 2024 12:59:06 GMT
one of the guys in that video is basically a rapist as well Whaaa?
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 28, 2024 13:02:05 GMT
one of the guys in that video is basically a rapist as well Whaaa? Think the guy on the right had to leave due to allegations. Edit, even worse was he was grooming.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 28, 2024 13:17:48 GMT
Wow. What a great guy.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 28, 2024 14:16:59 GMT
I have to say that one of the issues I've always had with this game is the very premise, and I'm glad this guy echoes it in his preview. Even if the whole live service/loot shooter aspect didn't turn me off anyway, I've just got no desire to see a story unfold featuring heroic characters that I really like doing terrible things and then getting murdered. It just doesn't appeal to me.
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Post by apollo on Jan 28, 2024 16:17:08 GMT
Some on that game subreddit are taking a lot of Copium, even resorting to "yeah but doom 2016 didn't get review codes...."
it seems no site is getting review codes?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 28, 2024 16:42:01 GMT
From what I've seen this seems to be the case, the language they used indicated they were going the influencer/content creator route which obviously will be very impartial. Obviously.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 28, 2024 17:43:30 GMT
Didn't work for Sega who gave Infinite Wealth to a bunch of them only for them to shit on the game for being turn based.
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Post by Duffking on Jan 28, 2024 17:55:36 GMT
The "give info/code to influencers over journalists" will be the norm at some point, IMO.
That said, I barely see the difference between the average games journo and randos on the internet any more anyways. Over the last decade or so publishers realised they don't need the press any more, or to give them anywhere near as much access as they used to, because they don't need them to get the word out any more. Stick up a trailer, job done. It's why most gaming journalism has basically hit rock bottom lately, because there's not really anything left for them anymore than articles rage baiting people and summaries of trailers that you can just go and watch for yourself. Used to be that they actually knew something about the industry while a lot of games media takes these days are indistinguishable from reddit shitposting.
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 28, 2024 18:21:57 GMT
I dunno, I think publishers want the "IGN 9/10" on their marketing materal. Holds more weight seeing it than "9/10 XboxFanboy420". But you're not wrong about some sites really going down under. Kotaku now deliberately making clickbait articles talking about a game's merit depending on how fuckable the effeminate male characters are. There are definitely streamers who's opinion I'd value to hear about as their tastes align with my own. I think with Suicide Squad, it's just been ripped on so much already and their strategy of sending review copies to streamers isn't really gonna work.
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Post by apollo on Jan 28, 2024 18:33:35 GMT
The "give info/code to influencers over journalists" will be the norm at some point, IMO. That said, I barely see the difference between the average games journo and randos on the internet any more anyways. Over the last decade or so publishers realised they don't need the press any more, or to give them anywhere near as much access as they used to, because they don't need them to get the word out any more. Review sites tend to give a proper review (mostly) and some rando on the internet (eg streamer) who is given "special" access and shills for them - no one is going to believe them again. I do find people prefer some youtube channel are better eg I like shillup's content and red letter media (not intrested in what empire mag or that bbc reviewer that looks like max headroom says for films)
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Post by Duffking on Jan 28, 2024 18:54:25 GMT
True, at least for now reviews still have some merit.
I think I realised the reporters were no more knowledgable, if not even less knowledgeable than the average player, was when kotaku were shitting on some CoD developer who had the nerve to talk about how research trips for game environments were quite gruelling and exhausting. Like a whole article about how that dev totally was complaining about a free holiday.
Kotaku really became unfathomably stupid over the least few years.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 28, 2024 18:59:02 GMT
I believe the same author of that article also claimed that Kimberly from SF6 was the first black woman to be in a Street Fighter game. It's par for the course for that site.
Thier defence was that the other notable women, one being from Kenya didn't count as black. Apparently.
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Post by apollo on Jan 28, 2024 19:18:10 GMT
Hasn't Kotaku been a dumpster fire for years? they claimed there was "disability slur" in the persona 5 dlc for smash bros. (which of course was BS, didn't seem to be for clicks as well)
The only stuff I've heard about Kotaku is negative, sort of reminds me of the trash reviews that infest eurogamer
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 28, 2024 19:25:05 GMT
The site was close to closure a few years back which is when they started doing all the click bait BS.
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Post by Duffking on Jan 28, 2024 20:41:57 GMT
I had some sympathy for them around the time they had the gamergate weirdos out for them, but it seems like they fell into courting gamer rage a few years back for some reason. Another one I remember was when they claimed that a mobile game that soft launched in a small market was actually being sent out to die because the game must be dogshit. When actually, the game was just being soft launched. Because that's just how mobile games tend to do things. I was trying to figure out back then if they just were incompetent enough that they didn't know what a soft launch was, or if they were pretending not to for clicks.
Even their reporting on worthy topics sucked, I was working with a studio contracting at a dev that had some misconduct allegations that iirc Kotaku broke. Management asked us how we felt working that dev given the devs and a bunch of us were like... we read the article and couldn't actually work out whether it was reporting on stuff that was in the past and had been improved, was ongoing, or getting worse, etc. Baffling.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 29, 2024 5:39:36 GMT
It's a bit of a vicious circle really. Death of print magazines, click-advertizing business model, etc.. have meant much less money and job security for games journalists, combined with the need to pump out content. But rise in influencers and social media means publishers no-longer rely much on games journalists to get the word out to consumers.
As such, I guess the days of being flown half way around the world to attend a private preview are mostly gone, as are most of the big in-person industry events that journalists would have attended in the past. So a lot of sites tend to be using more freelancers and writers don't seem to hang around for long, so they don't really develop the experience or knowledge they would once have had.
On the other hand, I think there's still some value in news/reviews coming from a reasonably reputable source who have at least some minimum standard editorial process. In the same way that a random news story posted on social media *could* be totally accurate, but it could also be total bullshit, whereas something from a big news organisation is at least likely to have been marginally vetted. Not that that really matters as much for something like reviews, where it's all subjective and you can watch people play and make up your own minds. Then again, I never really read reviews in order to decide whether to buy or not.
I don't really buy the argument about games journalists being less knowledgeable than the average gamer though. They aren't up against the average gamer, they're up against the hive-mind of a billion gamers who will *always* know more than them, and always be quick to point out any tiny mistake in every article.
Notwithstanding the fact that these days they're probably some relatively green freelancer who needs to pump out 100 articles a day, I imagine that back in the day journalists would make just as many mistakes, but most people wouldn't notice and the one guy who did notice would be alone in his bedroom screaming at his games mag.
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 29, 2024 7:48:06 GMT
Also doesn't help when people dogpile on journalists for playing a game badly or incorrectly. Case in point, someone brought up a perceived issue on Suicide Squad where they think that during thr fight with The Flash have little time to react to off screen projectiles as the icon blends among the visual clutter. So many people in the comments telling them they're playing poorly, just stopping to shoot when they should be constantly moving. Only, the footage was all b roll footage provided by devs so it was a dev playing.
Some definitely still fighting some kind of imaginary war in their heads against game journalists.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 29, 2024 7:52:34 GMT
It was noticeable that the majority of comments on the IGN article about not getting a review code were saying 'Good! You guys don't deserve an review code!'
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Post by apollo on Jan 29, 2024 8:15:45 GMT
I saw idiots attacking the IGN guy about the flash boss fight, the smooth brains were saying "well its the flash, he is suppose fast ffs!" No - as as Tuffty said on here, its bad boss fight due to UI clutter with the lack of time to react to things
Also the PC ver of the game has denuvo drm
Lando: this game is getting worse all the time
WB Vader: I have altered the game, the game will now install Redfall and Gollum game, PRAY I don't alter it any further.
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 29, 2024 8:26:14 GMT
If we were really gonna be pedantic about the "Flash should be fast!" Defense, then really it shouldn't be a fight because really what is Harley Quinn or any of them gonna do to him? Particular if he's evil enough now to resort to killing. If it was a comic or movie you could expect something creative but in game it's...having Flash stand still so you can shoot him with your rare assault rifle that has 3.2% piercing damage boost
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