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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 2, 2023 15:41:10 GMT
I have to say my opinion of Steve Coogan has gone down a bit, I don't buy his justification for playing the part, if Ch4 had made it it would kind of be OK but how the fuck can the BBC put this out is just mind boggling. Is it really that different/worse than all of the peter sutcliffe dramatisations/documentaries? Or the dozens of Dahmer ones? I genuinely dont understand why this is the one that has people clutching their pearls when we are fed a non-stop diet of dramatisations about arguably even worse people. |
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Oct 2, 2023 16:09:59 GMT
Dahmer or any other serial killers were not actively supported by anyone but themselves.
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Post by cubby on Oct 2, 2023 16:32:52 GMT
I guess in this instance it's an organisation that was largely responsible for his crimes profiting from them by creating entertainment out of it.
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Post by Lukus on Oct 2, 2023 16:41:53 GMT
I don't know why they chose to make it a sitcom. Seems a bit off to me.
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Post by cristar on Oct 2, 2023 16:53:43 GMT
From the trailer looks like they're going for the "he was just so smart, cunning and manipulative, how could we ever have known" angle and all.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 2, 2023 17:07:55 GMT
Dahmer or any other serial killers were not actively supported by anyone but themselves. So, one, I don’t know if that’s entirely true and, two, would it make it better if it was on sky? A lot of people turned a blind eye. He got a knighthood, ffs. I don’t really have a problem with it unless they airbrush the culpability of the media out and we haven’t seen it yet. If it’s shown on the BBC and it absolutely excoriates them, I can’t really see a problem (insofar as this is no worse than any other misery porn we gorge ourselves on) |
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Post by cristar on Oct 2, 2023 17:16:24 GMT
Dahmer or any other serial killers were not actively supported by anyone but themselves. So, one, I don’t know if that’s entirely true and, two, would it make it better if it was on sky? A lot of people turned a blind eye. He got a knighthood, ffs. I don’t really have a problem with it unless they airbrush the culpability of the media out and we haven’t seen it yet. If it’s shown on the BBC and it absolutely excoriates them, I can’t really see a problem (insofar as this is no worse than any other amputee porn we gorge ourselves on) |
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Post by X201 on Oct 2, 2023 18:48:24 GMT
ITV are making it. It is odd that the Beeb are showing it Nothing odd. ITV Studios have been making stuff for the BBC for decades. University Challenge is on in a bit. They produce that for the BBC. After the Tories smashed everything to do with TV production up in the 1990s, dogs and cats now sleep together. |
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Post by Danno on Oct 2, 2023 19:01:23 GMT
ITV are making it. It is odd that the Beeb are showing it Nothing odd. ITV Studios have been making stuff for the BBC for decades. University Challenge is on in a bit. They produce that for the BBC. After the Tories smashed everything to do with TV production up in the 1990s, dogs and cats now sleep together. It's that the BBC are more culpable than any other entity for his crimes. Them showing it just feels off. |
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Post by X201 on Oct 9, 2023 19:11:58 GMT
Starts tonight @9:00
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Post by mothercruncher on Oct 9, 2023 20:12:26 GMT
Coogan’s remarkable in it, man.
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Post by Danno on Oct 9, 2023 20:29:41 GMT
Is it as grim as it should be?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 9, 2023 20:40:57 GMT
Yeah need deets about the performance and how it's handled.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 9, 2023 20:51:34 GMT
Yeah, it’s all pretty rank. Like every element of it is repulsive. It’s really well done apart from the slightly oppressive ‘something sinister is happening’ music
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 9, 2023 20:52:17 GMT
How's his cigar acting?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 9, 2023 20:54:18 GMT
Light touch. He’s just had his first meeting at the BBC and it made an effort to show the blokes in the meetings as dickheads, so I don’t think it will pull punches.
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Post by X201 on Oct 9, 2023 21:00:57 GMT
The bit at the end with his victims watching him on TV hit hard.
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Post by Youthist on Oct 9, 2023 21:03:05 GMT
Very very dark / sinister as fuck. Handled really well though. Coogan superb.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 9, 2023 21:03:49 GMT
Llandudno standing in for Scarborough was a strange production decision.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 9, 2023 21:34:20 GMT
It’s really good. Ghastly. Coogan chewing the scenery
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 9, 2023 21:50:43 GMT
Hmm. It's well made, but it's already feeling a little too hindsighty in places, and there's a constant undercurrent of menace and darkness in the way Coogan plays him that genuinely wasn't there.
I think it would be harder hitting if it felt more like the household friend we grew up with, interspersed with moments of evil.
Opening with the funeral felt like an unnecessary "Didn't he fool you all." reminder to those involved too. Penny for their thoughts.
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Post by harriselhoff on Oct 9, 2023 21:55:55 GMT
Aha! I always thought he was creepy. Him and Worzel Gummidge.
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Post by Danno on Oct 9, 2023 21:59:31 GMT
Fucking hell I forgot he basically had a state funeral
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Post by cubby on Oct 9, 2023 21:59:58 GMT
The narrative seems to be that he was the world's greatest conman, which isn't exactly the case now is it. It's more that no-one cared or gave a shit about women or children.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 9, 2023 22:03:54 GMT
Fucking hell I forgot he basically had a state funeral And a Shane Richie helmed special tribute show! |
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Post by Lizard on Oct 9, 2023 22:13:31 GMT
The rumours were flying from way back though. I remember first hearing about him being a wrong 'un as a kid in the '90s.
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Post by geefe on Oct 9, 2023 22:18:26 GMT
Yeah. He didn't really trick people. Hell, he was on camera with Theroux being a cunt and nobody cared. I also would argue that he wasn't so much as "sinister" all the time. He did clearly have an ability and rapport enough to be liked by audiences.
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Post by Danno on Oct 9, 2023 22:50:32 GMT
Coogan is astonishing in this
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Post by harriselhoff on Oct 9, 2023 23:12:10 GMT
I really wish I could stop seeing Alan Partridge at points.
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Post by Danno on Oct 9, 2023 23:54:24 GMT
I really wish I could stop seeing Alan Partridge at points. Bit of a chicken/egg situation |
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