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Post by ryder35 on Oct 21, 2021 7:06:59 GMT
McFred are literally the best combination in midfield out of the options he has. That may not be good enough but I think most of our better performances are with the two of them in the team. How would we know when he almost never plays anyone else? And I'm not sure which midfield you've been watching. Performances like tonight occur in spite of those two, not because of them. They're as bad a centre midfield - over and over and over again - as I've seen play for United since I've been watching them. Who played in central midfield at the weekend? Didn’t go well from memory  |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 21, 2021 7:15:24 GMT
He could have fucking Kante in that beloved double pivot of his and we'd still be an abysmal football side. The issue ain't the players, it's the berks telling them what they should be doing.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Oct 21, 2021 7:16:25 GMT
Didn't we come back from 0-2 against Newcastle shortly before Mourinho was sacked? Shortly as in a few weeks, it gave him a few weeks.
This feels like that...
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Post by dogbot on Oct 21, 2021 7:32:14 GMT
He could have fucking Kante in that beloved double pivot of his and we'd still be an abysmal football side. The issue ain't the players, it's the berks telling them what they should be doing. Right. In answer to the question, Matic (who's been 3 yards off the pace for two years) and Pogba (who's not in any way defensive minded), in the good old double pivot. For me, it's the rigid adherence to the formation that annoys me. Neither Fred nor McTominay is suited to it. They may be the best we have for that formation, but that doesn't mean it's a good choice. Do Chelsea play it: (answer: no). Do City? (no). Liverpool? (no). And arguably, they do have the players that make it work. I understand that we're trying to fit in our plethora of attacking flair, but playing that formation we're getting consistently overrun. Fred obviously has ability. You can't coach talent into someone, but you should be able to coach them into not making so many mistakes. McTominay, to my mind, is better going forward, when he makes those late runs, than he is sitting deep and reading the game and winning the ball. He's not Keane, to make a saving tackle then drive forward and he's not Carrick who could read, intercept the ball and recycle play. What's that quote? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results? We've had a couple of good results against really poor sides this season (Leeds, Newcastle) where we looked better, but other than that, our midfield has been repeatedly overrun. Fred has played 6 of 8 in the league this season, and a couple of times in Europe and McTominay mostly by his side, barring an early injury and it's usually the same result. A frustrating performance, midfield ineffective, reliant on a superstar performance to drag us through and when it doesn't happen, defeat. I'm a fan of the spirit and drive the team show to get back into games, but we shouldn't be going behind in the first place so often. Maybe it's time to try something else (anyone remember 4-4-2?) and harness the spirit from the start? |
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Post by ryder35 on Oct 21, 2021 7:32:36 GMT
I do think the next few league games will decide it. Liverpool Tottenham and Man City. Lose all of those and there will be real pressure. Otherwise it think he will be here for the rest of the season. The other thing I guess we need to consider is who is available as a long term replacement right now?
I must admit it is becoming increasingly apparent that he has taken us as far as possible and is miles behind the top managers in the league but managers of that calibre are not aesthetically to find and there is no point getting another stop gap.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 21, 2021 7:38:39 GMT
after 5 mins last night we were trying to play on the counter attack, at home against Atalanta...
We are a lost cause with this management
Also “maguire has been consistently great” 😂😂😂😂
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Oct 21, 2021 7:41:12 GMT
It'll carry on until Champions League football is mathematically out of the equation I reckon.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 21, 2021 7:42:00 GMT
Could be worse, you could be reminded that just 6 years ago we beat Bayern at home. Now we are out of Europe entirely. The demise begun under Arsene, and we had to move on, but Christ that's depressing.
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Post by Zomoniac on Oct 21, 2021 8:11:45 GMT
Could be worse, you could be reminded that just 6 years ago we beat Bayern at home. Now we are out of Europe entirely. The demise begun under Arsene, and we had to move on, but Christ that's depressing. Could be worse, six years after we were in a CL semi we were in League One. Now that's depressing  |
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Post by Dougs on Oct 21, 2021 8:13:14 GMT
Yeah, you win that one!
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Post by snackplissken on Oct 21, 2021 8:32:24 GMT
The longer Ole is manager the better. Just treading water.
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Post by neems on Oct 21, 2021 8:41:53 GMT
Surely it's a problem for Man Utd that they're only playing two in midfield? They were literally playing as a 4-2-4, it doesn't matter how good the central players are you just need to outnumber them.
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Post by JYM60 on Oct 21, 2021 10:07:31 GMT
after 5 mins last night we were trying to play on the counter attack, at home against Atalanta... We are a lost cause with this management Also “maguire has been consistently great” 😂😂😂😂 I have absolutely no idea what you watched tbh. |
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Post by reddevil93 on Nov 2, 2021 19:48:35 GMT
Chelsea really quite boringly good, aren’t they? Just read they have 9 more clean sheets across all competitions that the next side in a top league in Europe.
Interested to see how Rashford and Ronaldo combine in our game. And if Pogba can perform from deep in this formation.
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Post by reddevil93 on Nov 2, 2021 20:13:43 GMT
Some real De Gea lols there, despite the deflection. Not sure what the long wait for VAR was.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Nov 2, 2021 20:13:47 GMT
Here we go .....
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Post by dogbot on Nov 2, 2021 20:13:49 GMT
Conte would've stopped that happening, obviously.
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Post by clemfandango on Nov 2, 2021 20:16:27 GMT
Just remember guys maguire has been consistently great for us....
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Post by clemfandango on Nov 2, 2021 20:17:09 GMT
....Great at playing in no mans land
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Post by jono62 on Nov 2, 2021 20:32:19 GMT
Lewandowski with another goal. What a striker.
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Post by JYM60 on Nov 2, 2021 20:37:03 GMT
Pogba is so shit. No wonder he's going for free.
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Post by reddevil93 on Nov 2, 2021 20:40:35 GMT
Varane off injured again, feck me.
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Post by crispyxuk on Nov 2, 2021 20:44:46 GMT
I wonder what Luke shaw has to do to play for a better club?
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Post by reddevil93 on Nov 2, 2021 20:46:38 GMT
Mason and Bruno did wonderful there. Great goal.
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Post by Dgzter on Nov 2, 2021 20:47:20 GMT
That was a sensational reverse from Bruno there.
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Post by crispyxuk on Nov 2, 2021 20:47:29 GMT
Mason and Bruno did wonderful there. Great goal. yeah, comentary chewing off the winker though |
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Post by clemfandango on Nov 2, 2021 20:49:20 GMT
Some goal that
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Post by clemfandango on Nov 2, 2021 20:51:39 GMT
Bailly has been brilliant. Maguire seems to be trying to play anywhere the ball isn’t.
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Post by Frog on Nov 2, 2021 20:57:12 GMT
Can you show us where on the doll Harry touched you Clem?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 20:58:42 GMT
Don't Frog, now anytime Maguire does anything he'll bring you up too.
"Where are those real Maguire fans now, eh?" etc.
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