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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 26, 2021 21:37:47 GMT
Of all the things this seems like such a fucking minefield, it just feels like it doesn't need to get made. Now a dramatisation of user Rodimus' life is what we need here. I'm sure there's a bounty of famous actors ready to play all of his 'slappers' who just can't hold him down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 21:40:49 GMT
I actually can't wait to see how it turns out. Like how the fuck do you play Jimmy Savile without it becoming a caricature. And Coogan is such a funny impressionist to begin with. It's going to beautiful/horrifying.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 26, 2021 21:44:08 GMT
Hopefully Coogan doesn't go full method for the role.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 26, 2021 21:44:30 GMT
"Slappers and Broads - the Rodimus story"
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 26, 2021 22:25:35 GMT
I actually can't wait to see how it turns out. Like how the fuck do you play Jimmy Savile without it becoming a caricature. And Coogan is such a funny impressionist to begin with. It's going to beautiful/horrifying. This is the problem - it's entertainment. I don't see the point in a dramatisation. Even if it wins awards, it's still gross
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 27, 2021 2:06:56 GMT
It's totally hypocritical, it'll gloss over the honchos who turned a blind eye at the BBC many of whom are still alive and have escaped Scot free, they're as guilty as Savile. I agree some things really don't need to be made, shame ch4 aren't making it, might have had a little more edge to it but then Coogan probably wouldn't have done it then.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 27, 2021 5:41:22 GMT
I wonder how they'll do it. Maybe they'll concentrate on one or two events rather than his entire life.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 27, 2021 6:05:55 GMT
An origins story
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 6:07:47 GMT
How he found his first shell suit.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 27, 2021 6:17:07 GMT
If it targets the enablers, great. But I can't see that it will. I can't really think of an angle that seems worth pursuing. It's all horrific.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 27, 2021 6:26:29 GMT
How he found his first shell suit. The final scene is him saying 'now then' for the first ever time. Mid-credits sequence with Gary Glitter writing his first song. The British Cinematic Nonceverse begins.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 6:31:09 GMT
Credits fade to black as a didgeridoo starts playing.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 7:19:09 GMT
A dressing room door closes on the camera as a didgeridoo starts playing.
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 27, 2021 8:06:26 GMT
And a Pizza Express bag floats past.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 8:34:14 GMT
I do think it's odd that they're going to make this with Coogan as Saville. Let's be honest, it's not like we want to understand his motivations, empathise or sympathise with him, or cast more light on a previously unheard of subject. Surely the best thing to do would be to pretend the vile cunt never existed.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 27, 2021 9:02:56 GMT
To give him credit, coogan is a decent straight actor. If you want someone to play a character with a dual personality, 'Jimmy Jangles' on TV by day and disgusting sex pest by night, Coogan is a really good shout.
And I think, on balance, its probably an important story to be told. Hundreds of people enabled saville and they need a light shining on them, too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 9:06:28 GMT
Is a dramtisation the best way to do that though? that's the thing.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 27, 2021 9:14:27 GMT
I think enough water has passed under the bridge and they dramatise worse things. I mean, the number of films and whatnot about american serial killers has almost passed into fetishisation which, yes, I suppose is a problem in and of itself (Yes, I know Ted Bundy was handsome and charming) but I dont think Saville is particularly out there as subject matter.
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Post by mrpon on Sept 27, 2021 9:18:25 GMT
David Tennant could've been good, his Dennis Nilsen was supposedly on the money. I can't take Coogan seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 9:19:35 GMT
You're right of course. It's probably because I have a particular type of loathing for these kind of dramatisations and, like you say, fetishing of evil people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 9:23:55 GMT
Yeah I don't have a problem with it. Humans tell each other stories, it's how we view and understand the world. As Nick says worse stuff than this has been dramatised.
My main issue is that Coogan has a direct link into my funny bone so seeing him with all the gear on is going to be very odd.
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Post by Chopsen on Sept 27, 2021 9:25:42 GMT
Does seem like an utterly mental idea.
I can see if you're a writer/performer/produced of dramatic works, and you think an issue is important, then you're inclination is going to be to make a dramatic work out of it. For people who have hammers, a lot of things end up looking like nails.
I don't agree with what someone said up thread that a dramatic work will inevitably make a character out to be sympathetic. Though my first reaction to this is "yikes!" I'm not entirely on board with the idea that some topics should never be the subject of dramatization, and I can't quite put my finger on why I can't see this working over a drama about, say, any other reprehensible criminal act (of which there are plenty).
I think this will be a car crash, but maybe I just lack the imagination on how this could work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 9:26:28 GMT
It's very difficult to not see him as Alan. In fact, I think it's impossible.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 27, 2021 9:28:51 GMT
Are they actually going to shine a light on those who enabled him though?
I feel as though it's the sort of thing that will just end up as a thinly veiled impersonation showcase with a bit of dark music here and there. He's perfect glorification fodder.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 27, 2021 9:30:47 GMT
I'm sure the BBC will pull no punches in the telling of this story...
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 27, 2021 9:38:45 GMT
Are they actually going to shine a light on those who enabled him though? I feel as though it's the sort of thing that will just end up as a thinly veiled impersonation showcase with a bit of dark music here and there. He's perfect glorification fodder. I think this is exactly what it will be. This is going to end up a total cluster fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 9:42:19 GMT
I dunno Coogan is very clued up about stuff like this. I'd be surprised if he signed up for it if it's going to be Taxi Driver Savile Edition.
I would still watch the shit out of that though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 9:44:51 GMT
Are they actually going to shine a light on those who enabled him though? I feel as though it's the sort of thing that will just end up as a thinly veiled impersonation showcase with a bit of dark music here and there. He's perfect glorification fodder. This is my gut feeling exactly.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 27, 2021 9:45:14 GMT
There is obviously potential for it to be terrible but you would like to think that they know this is going to be under a microscope and wouldnt attempt it if they didnt have something worthwhile to say.
I think it is an important story to tell. He was an animal but he got a free pass for years and thats the real story. I think one of the reasons it hits home is that everyone over 35(ish) feels like they know him because he was so famous. People metaphorically let him into their living rooms every week for decades. He was part of the furniture.
But, yes, it needs to be root and branch. The Jimmy story by itself will just be nightmare on elm street with shellsuits. This one needs to include the fixers and enablers.
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Post by MysteryLamb on Sept 27, 2021 9:51:46 GMT
It's very difficult to not see him as Alan. In fact, I think it's impossible. Dunno, He was Oscar worthy in Hamlet 2.
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