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Post by Frog on May 15, 2022 15:16:06 GMT
That's a bit different to people betting on the number of shootings like it's a sporting event though isnt it.
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Post by Tuffty on May 15, 2022 16:07:35 GMT
The shooter drove for hours with the intention of shooting people? Awfully familiar to the Rittenhouse case. If one side defends him to the point of making him out as a hero, then something like this was bound to happen.
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Post by Whizzo on May 15, 2022 16:14:09 GMT
Guess it's too early to discuss gun control again, the timer gets reset so often.
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Post by jono62 on May 15, 2022 16:20:50 GMT
It's too early, until the next incident and it wil be too early again.
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Post by Tuffty on May 24, 2022 20:11:02 GMT
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Post by dogbot on May 24, 2022 20:15:34 GMT
At an elementary school, ffs.
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Post by Danno on May 24, 2022 20:16:52 GMT
Oh god. Seeing this bumped is almost as bad as the other one.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 24, 2022 20:21:40 GMT
Something tells me that the Pro Life party will be definitely all over this and be fighting to make sure that no more precious lives are wasted...oh wait.
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Post by richardiox on May 24, 2022 20:28:32 GMT
Imagine placing more weight on the right to own a firearm than on the right to body autonomy. Incredible stuff.
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Post by Sarfrin on May 24, 2022 20:40:23 GMT
Campaigning for elementary school children to be allowed to open carry.
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Post by jono62 on May 24, 2022 20:42:38 GMT
Come on people, now is not the time to talk about it.
The only way to beat a bad child with a gun is a good child with a gun.
This is clearly done with actors.
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Post by khanivor on May 24, 2022 20:51:03 GMT
Thank fuck tomorrow is a half day and last day for the year for my daughter.
Sadly, she’s nine now and this is going to affect her.
One of the worst feelings of my life was talking to her about active school shooters, three years ago when she was going in to first grade. Horrible.
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Post by khanivor on May 24, 2022 20:53:44 GMT
14 dead children.
America just don’t care about dead kids. Actual kids, that is
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 24, 2022 20:54:35 GMT
Thank fuck tomorrow is a half day and last day for the year for my daughter. Sadly, she’s nine now and this is going to affect her. One of the worst feelings of my life was talking to her about active school shooters, three years ago when she was going in to first grade. Horrible. Man that's fucking shit. At least she'll be warmed by the knowledge that people get to feel all big and powerful because they get carry round an assault rifle while they buy some eggs and milk from the supermarket.
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Post by 😎 on May 24, 2022 20:56:38 GMT
I’ve already seen a claim that this is false flag to change the narrative on abortion. Ugh. The fuck is wrong with people?
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Post by geefe on May 24, 2022 20:56:59 GMT
Nothing will get done. Platitudes, etc.
This is just what America is. It won't ever change. It's awful but in my 3+ decades, I haven't seen any real attempt to control guns or do anything. I remember Dunblane and the reaction after that. If America didn't do it after the Washington Sniper, Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc, it won't happen.
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Post by khanivor on May 24, 2022 20:59:06 GMT
I’ve already seen a claim that this is false flag to change the narrative on abortion. Ugh. The fuck is wrong with people? The wrong people get to live out full lives
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 24, 2022 21:06:34 GMT
I’ve already seen a claim that this is false flag to change the narrative on abortion. Ugh. The fuck is wrong with people? I doubt it's a coincidence that public education is being diminished in America for a reason.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 24, 2022 21:08:19 GMT
Nothing will get done. Platitudes, etc. This is just what America is. It won't ever change. It's awful but in my 3+ decades, I haven't seen any real attempt to control guns or do anything. I remember Dunblane and the reaction after that. If America didn't do it after the Washington Sniper, Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc, it won't happen. I think Sandy Hook was the line that the gun lobby were willing to cross and boy did they didn't just cross it, they fucking skipped over it
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Post by geefe on May 24, 2022 21:12:23 GMT
Yeah, this is the kind of stuff I see a "civil war" in America starting over. I say that in speech marks because what I mean would be something more like a mass migration. People who want guns move to X state and people who don't move to Y state.
Could lead to a fractured but harmonious country, whereby the safer states will most likely be more prosperous and educated, while the others will become poorer and crime ridden.
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Post by Tuffty on May 24, 2022 21:20:16 GMT
At this point I personally wouldn't fault a single American with the capability, to just give up, abandon ship and move them and their family to a different country where this shit isn't a permanent fear. Can't imagine being a father where this is something you have to worry about every day.
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Post by stuz359 on May 24, 2022 21:48:42 GMT
Thank fuck tomorrow is a half day and last day for the year for my daughter. Sadly, she’s nine now and this is going to affect her. One of the worst feelings of my life was talking to her about active school shooters, three years ago when she was going in to first grade. Horrible. Agreed. I have a nine year old (almost) adopted son and this feels like the hardest thing to explain. Either random acts of violence or deliberate acts of violence in schools. Keep saying though, guns make it so easy to kill a lot in a short amount of time. I think there was a case recently in Germany of someone with a knife, managed to kill one, injure some others before being subdued. If the guy had a gun, definitely multiple murders.
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Post by khanivor on May 24, 2022 22:15:39 GMT
At this point I personally wouldn't fault a single American with the capability, to just give up, abandon ship and move them and their family to a different country where this shit isn't a permanent fear. Can't imagine being a father where this is something you have to worry about every day. If I ever get full custody of my daughter we are fucking booking it The UK might be fucked but at least I wouldn’t have to worry about my kid coming home alive from school
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 24, 2022 22:19:04 GMT
At this point I personally wouldn't fault a single American with the capability, to just give up, abandon ship and move them and their family to a different country where this shit isn't a permanent fear. Can't imagine being a father where this is something you have to worry about every day. If I ever get full custody of my daughter we are fucking booking it The UK might be fucked but at least I wouldn’t have to worry about my kid coming home alive from school I don't blame you.
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Post by Tuffty on May 24, 2022 22:20:27 GMT
It's the fact that civilians can buy AR-15's and such is what gets me. If your 2nd amendment rights means you need to build up a Call of Duty training garage amount of guns to defend yourself, then you better be fighting fucking terminators.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 24, 2022 22:28:16 GMT
I'm kinda depressed with myself that I saw this headline on the bbc news website, went 'huh. america i guess' and kept scrolling.
It's gotten to the stage where even such horrible acts have become so commonplace that they don't generate the outrage they once would have. Which is terrible, when I actually think about it.
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Post by スコットランド on May 24, 2022 22:28:32 GMT
Almost any other country in the world would react to something like this by huge changes in the law, massive reactions etc. The USA will do nothing except thoughts and prayers, slaughter of children is normalised, what a sick, sick, fucking shithole of a country.
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Post by gammonbanter on May 24, 2022 22:42:38 GMT
They would have to ban sales and then have a huge amnesty programme. All completely doable, but writing it this I see how completely out of sight that prospect is "criminals won't give up their guns, why would I" etc etc
This is more than about guns though isn't it; healthcare, education, culture, media. It's all just perfectly screwed enough to create this mess.
14 children murdered while at school is just so unbearable. I don't know what to say, as has been said here already, nothing will change.
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Post by askew on May 24, 2022 22:44:30 GMT
Yeah, this is the kind of stuff I see a "civil war" in America starting over. I say that in speech marks because what I mean would be something more like a mass migration. People who want guns move to X state and people who don't move to Y state. Could lead to a fractured but harmonious country, whereby the safer states will most likely be more prosperous and educated, while the others will become poorer and crime ridden. Then they can put a big wall up
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Post by Whizzo on May 24, 2022 22:45:22 GMT
Sandy Hook was the litmus test, if anything was going to spark change it was that. It didn't.
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