Vortex
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Post by Vortex on Sept 3, 2024 13:21:30 GMT
Aw shame, did they not like being cast as taking part in the 'race hate riots'?
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Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 3, 2024 13:26:50 GMT
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mrpon
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Post by mrpon on Sept 3, 2024 13:31:17 GMT
Jeez, all about the angles. That Jimmy Hill disappeared pretty pronto.
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rftp
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Post by rftp on Sept 3, 2024 13:33:25 GMT
Now be fair. She put that profile photo up when Twitter first started.
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Ulythium
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 3, 2024 15:37:39 GMT
More race-hate rioters are being sentenced today.
From the BBC:
Exactly the kind of genius move you'd expect from a participant in the Farage riots.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 4, 2024 16:37:06 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 4, 2024 16:59:24 GMT
Tbf schools start in the US in August so this is just another Wednesday.
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Post by Danno on Sept 4, 2024 17:01:15 GMT
Aye they've been open almost 2 weeks.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 4, 2024 18:22:34 GMT
Thoughts and prayers.
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 4, 2024 18:46:11 GMT
384 mass shootings so far this year. Where 'mass shooting' means 4 or more people (not including the shooter) were shot. That's a lot of fucking shooting.
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Youthist
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Post by Youthist on Sept 4, 2024 18:51:54 GMT
Such a conundrum as to what could be done here to stop all these senseless deaths and families lives ruined. If only we could get to the bottom of the problem.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 4, 2024 22:34:34 GMT
Erm, the 14yr old shooter (which is a phrase I thought I'd never write) has been named which is unusual and is being tried as an adult which is also incredibly unusual.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 9, 2024 16:25:00 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 22, 2024 9:02:35 GMT
Another mass shooting in the US. At least 6 dead.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 11, 2024 9:41:51 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Oct 11, 2024 11:42:43 GMT
Private Eye have been asking questions too. Mostly about why some experts' views were not admissable to the court than suggesting any doubt.
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Lizard
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Post by Lizard on Oct 12, 2024 1:49:02 GMT
I have a morbid fascination with the process - she could be guilty, but also subject to an unsafe conviction.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 12, 2024 9:12:29 GMT
I try not to know too much tbh. Both my kids were nicu babies and the idea that someone could want to harm them is unfathomable.
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Lizard
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Post by Lizard on Oct 12, 2024 9:44:31 GMT
Oh, I mean a fascination with the legal process, not the details of the crimes. It's the idea that the way the evidence was presented and (mis)understood by the jury makes the conviction questionable, but guilt is still likely.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 12, 2024 10:00:02 GMT
Guess it'll come down to whether they can secure an exoneration or a retrial with the additional evidence.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 12, 2024 10:00:52 GMT
Part of me wonders about the media fascination behind this isn't so much the crime, more that she doesn't fit the usual profile of someone who would be associated with such a terrible crime as in a conventionally next door pretty, young white female. Sure, how the conviction was done should be looked at but the amount of media attention it has got feels like it wouldn't happen if she didn't fit her description.
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Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 12, 2024 10:08:22 GMT
My biggest problem is that it eggs on True Crime Mums
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Ulythium
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 12, 2024 10:15:25 GMT
I still think Letby's guilty, based upon everything I've read, but it's absolutely right that these questions should be asked.
It's somewhat reminiscent of the Amanda Knox situation - and I think she did it as well! - in that Letby and Knox both became causes célèbres for armchair sleuths and op-ed writers, all of whom managed to muddy the waters to a large degree.
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Post by cubby on Oct 12, 2024 11:22:23 GMT
I've had a bad feeling about the case from the off, because of the overreliance on statistical arguments and expert witnesses to construct the majority of the case. It bears very similar hallmarks to the Sally Clark case, where the expert witness said her two sons dying of natural causes had a chance of 1 in 73 million of happening, a number he had essentially made up completely. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Clark |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 12, 2024 11:28:07 GMT
I haven't followed it closely enough to be able to have a decent opinion, but there were several similar cases in other countries recently, and almost all of them seemed to later get overturned.
That guardian article makes it sound like the entire case is basically built on circumstantial evidence, and the main expert witness for the prosecution changed his theory on the fly to something that no other experts agree with.
I sincerely hope there was more evidence than just shift patterns.
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 12, 2024 11:33:38 GMT
From memory, the cases that involved [upsetting content below the spoiler tag, for those who don't want to know about it] babies being poisoned with insulin will be the biggest hurdles for anyone wishing to exonerate Letby. I think even she admitted during the trial that *someone* had deliberately administered insulin to them, but claimed it wasn't her. Some of the other incidents could be explained as coincidence or incompetence, rather than malice, but I don't see how the insulin ones can be explained away in satisfactory fashion.
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