Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 21, 2022 10:26:40 GMT
You'd have to make it part of the shirt to get away with it, shirley? Anyway, its academic. Money has spoken.
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Post by damagedinc on Nov 21, 2022 10:31:25 GMT
Sadly seeing most the comments elsewhere the concensus is "gud stick to the football!"
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Post by damagedinc on Nov 21, 2022 10:32:41 GMT
Quite embarrassing that at the slightest hint of pushback and we have bottled it.
Especially when playing Iran. You know a country where women are being killed for not having the very choices that we're making here.
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Post by kal on Nov 21, 2022 10:36:37 GMT
I feel like Qatar don’t really understand how sports-washing works. Surely the whole point of the exercise was to show everyone they’re actually just like the rest of us and that we all have nothing to worry about working and travelling there.
Whereas in fact all they’re showing us is that they will get what they want through corruption, won’t keep any promises they make and will do everything on their terms no matter what everyone else thinks, and if you don’t like it you can go to jail.
Like cool, you’ve well and truly pwned the whole world. Grats for that. But wasn’t this all about the long game?
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 21, 2022 10:36:48 GMT
I was staying out of this thread, as my contribution would mostly have been "football's shit and really boring", but I dipped in and discovered we aren't actually talking about the football yet, so I don't feel bad taking part.
Disappointed to see them cave on this and really hoped they would have stuck it FIFA by continuing with wearing the armband.
The "keep politics out of football nobs" really are thick. The ban itself is a political statement.
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Post by JonFE on Nov 21, 2022 10:37:17 GMT
I intentionally didn't switch on until the KO time because I didn't want to see any of the ceremony. Kind of wish I had now. Are you sure you want to see it, because I guarantee you cannot undo the Morgan Freeman section...
Well, that was disappointing, nevertheless I'm sure more will follow!
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Nov 21, 2022 10:38:52 GMT
Nothing quite like sticking it to the man until they tell you not to.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 21, 2022 10:41:17 GMT
Reminds me of UEFA forbidding the Germany v Hungary game to be lit up with the rainbow after Hungarys government brought in anti lgbt laws. Said it was a political statement. Its one thing to proclaim you're for everyone and this particular demographic in the face of persecution and then bow down and capitulate at the first sign of resistance. All because of a rainbow coloured armband. Pathetic.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 21, 2022 10:48:32 GMT
Pitiful by all involved.
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Post by kal on Nov 21, 2022 10:54:06 GMT
The thing is, yellow cards have been the punishment for making political statements on the pitch for years. That’s not a Qatar thing. We absolutely knew that was the punishment because it’s in the rules and there’s loads of precedent for it. We should have always been prepared for this being the punishment and done it anyway.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 21, 2022 10:55:12 GMT
Yeah, a shameful capitulation. As a BBC pundit said (I'm paraphrasing, here), if you'll only stand up for your principles when it's convenient, and drop them at the first sign of difficulty, why have 'em in the first place?
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Nov 21, 2022 10:57:12 GMT
If I were Kane or Bale I would go against the FA’s call to not wear the rainbow armband. Wear it, take the booking and show up FIFA for who they really are. Millions of fans watching around the world are from the LGBQTI+ community, they shouldn’t be made to feel excluded. It’s an opportunity to embarrass FIFA on the international stage and they’re the sort of organisation to make it worse for themselves at every stage.
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Post by Rich on Nov 21, 2022 10:57:58 GMT
I suppose there's a chance that just because the FA have said they won't ask players to wear the band, it's still possible individuals could choose to?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 21, 2022 10:59:31 GMT
I'd be tempted to do it anyway. Since we are fully involved in dick waving competitions, it would be a bold decision to drop/sanction Kane if he just wore one.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Nov 21, 2022 11:00:10 GMT
I suppose there's a chance that just because the FA have said they won't ask players to wear the band, it's still possible individuals could choose to? I actually do like to believe that Southgate and the players will discuss this and would go behind the FA and fifa back.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 21, 2022 11:00:10 GMT
I sincerely hope some of them do. Easy for me to say, of course, but people have taken far braver stands than that throughout history.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 21, 2022 11:04:34 GMT
The problem with leaving it to the players, I suppose, is that there is a chance of 'WHY ISNT HE SINGING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM/WEARING A POPPY??!' finger wagging, so it is kind of all or nothing in all fairness.
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Post by Rich on Nov 21, 2022 11:10:31 GMT
Another problem with leaving it to the players is that it then becomes almost them challenging each other to follow suit, potentially taking the focus away from what they're meant to be challenging in the first place. It's a clusterfuck.
Also, challenging Qatar when backed by the FA is one thing. Doing it as an individual is quite another.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 21, 2022 11:17:45 GMT
The silver lining, hopefully, is this is the Trump/Truss moment for FIFA. The absolute rock bottom that exposes everything wrong with the entire system, shining a big fucking spotlight on things everyone already knew but we cant now ignore.
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Post by cristar on Nov 21, 2022 11:20:31 GMT
I will be surprised if Kane doesn't still wear it, he has had enough to say about wearing it no matter the consequences. And I don't see why they can't wear it for the first game, at least. Fair enough, with yellow cards totting up or whatever they would get a ban for a match maybe, if they wore it every game. But surely you can take a yellow in the first game. Don't players regularly take a yellow 'for the team'?
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Post by damagedinc on Nov 21, 2022 11:26:35 GMT
As other have said far bigger sacrifices have been made. Would be quite the statement if they all decided to walk out with the armband on. Is the ref going to send them all off? Would look horrendous if he dishes out 11 yellows.
The legacy of such a public showing of defiance, I dare say would live far longer in the memory than any of their sporting achievements.
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Post by cristar on Nov 21, 2022 11:27:31 GMT
England should really be walking that group with their second 11 anyway.
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Post by Binky on Nov 21, 2022 11:28:46 GMT
I will be surprised if Kane doesn't still wear it, he has had enough to say about wearing it no matter the consequences. And I don't see why they can't wear it for the first game, at least. Fair enough, with yellow cards totting up or whatever they would get a ban for a match maybe, if they wore it every game. But surely you can take a yellow in the first game. Don't players regularly take a yellow 'for the team'? I'm wondering that at the moment too. He really has gone out on a limb to talk about it. I'd be surprised if he doesn't just go for it.
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Post by malek86 on Nov 21, 2022 11:35:35 GMT
I'm not clear on the rules on this crap. Do you get no more than a yellow card per match for making a political statement? As in, as long as you are willing to take that yellow card, you are allowed to keep wearing the armband for the entire match?
Or is the referee eventually going to take out the red card if you refuse to take off the armband after the first warning?
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Post by askew on Nov 21, 2022 11:36:13 GMT
No rainbow laces?
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Post by dfunked on Nov 21, 2022 11:43:58 GMT
Sounds like some of the Iranian team will be booing their national anthem too. Half tempted to check this out.
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Post by baihu1983 on Nov 21, 2022 11:46:38 GMT
I'm not clear on the rules on this crap. Do you get no more than a yellow card per match for making a political statement? As in, as long as you are willing to take that yellow card, you are allowed to keep wearing the armband for the entire match? Or is the referee eventually going to take out the red card if you refuse to take off the armband after the first warning? From the sounds of it he could be booked before the game then booked again. Or forced to leave the pitch if he doesn't take it off.
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Post by TheSaint on Nov 21, 2022 11:51:58 GMT
This whole situation is so grim. I really hope they do it and call Fifa's bluff.
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Post by simple on Nov 21, 2022 12:02:49 GMT
Maybe chicken out of the armband but snog when they score, lets see if Qatar will try locking up some of the biggest stars in the biggest competition of the biggest sport in the world while billions watch
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Post by brainbird on Nov 21, 2022 12:05:31 GMT
This whole situation is so grim. I really hope they do it and call Fifa's bluff. Would be great if they passed the band around until every player is booked. And then start over and see if the red follows.
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