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Post by razz on Jan 6, 2022 22:12:40 GMT
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 6, 2022 22:13:39 GMT
Related, I wonder if everyone falling over themselves to say how mild Omicron is will result in people not bothering to get booster shots. The vaccination rate has tanked, even vs the days between Christmas and New Years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 22:17:29 GMT
Data showing that the bulk of ICU patients in Ireland are there with Delta. Good news eh.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 6, 2022 23:03:00 GMT
I reckon we'll end up having less deaths this winter than if Omicron hadn't shown off.
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Post by Youthist on Jan 6, 2022 23:52:49 GMT
Related, I wonder if everyone falling over themselves to say how mild Omicron is will result in people not bothering to get booster shots. The vaccination rate has tanked, even vs the days between Christmas and New Years. While there is a “mild” narrative (because it is) - there is a massive “get your booster you idiot” push at the same time. I think overall the latter is trumping the former.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 7, 2022 0:08:06 GMT
It's mild (If you've had your booster: pot luck edition).
Think "mild" is misleading reading some people's experiences here and on other forums. Still quite a few people seem to get bed ridden for days with it even after being boosted. Relatively mild compared to Delta, sure.
In the good old days "mild" was reserved for the sniffles. Pre 2020 if I was ill enough to be bed ridden I'd be milking it for all it's worth. Doubt id call in work with a "mild cold".
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Post by 111 on Jan 7, 2022 0:09:09 GMT
This says 75% of the people currently eligible for boosters (i.e. are three months on from having had a second dose) have had them, so not perfect sure but it's hardly gone badly. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 7, 2022 0:10:06 GMT
While there is a “mild” narrative (because it is) - there is a massive “get your booster you idiot” push at the same time. I think overall the latter is trumping the former. I think it was. I don't think it is any more. I guess we'll see after the weekend, but I think for whatever reason we wont see the average get up above 500k again, despite there being 10 million+ boosters due (over 3 months since 2nd dose).
This says 75% of the people currently eligible for boosters (i.e. are three months on from having had a second dose) have had them, so not perfect sure but it's hardly gone badly. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833No-one here said it had gone badly, just for clarity. Just noticed a significant slowdown since the new year and I'm wondering why.
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Post by 111 on Jan 7, 2022 0:14:24 GMT
Maybe most of the people that wanted one rushed to get it done before Christmas.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 7, 2022 0:23:02 GMT
Yep. There was a big pre-Christmas boost, the drop off is expected.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 7, 2022 0:31:33 GMT
There was also a similar drop off for the 1st/2nd doses as availability opened up down the age ranges. The people who need one the most have pretty much all had them now. 200k or so new boosters is nothing to be sniffed at though. That's like a whole Peterborough. Every day.
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Post by knighty on Jan 7, 2022 7:41:29 GMT
Slowdown may also be down to the sheer number of people catching it that have to push it back by a month (like me, for example).
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Post by richardiox on Jan 7, 2022 7:50:23 GMT
Dunno, think we've only had about 4 million cases in the last fortnight.
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Post by geefe on Jan 7, 2022 8:50:24 GMT
Not sure if I've had covid or a cold last few days. Was really sniffly with blocked nose yesterday, sneezing loads and headaches but feel largely fine today.
Will take a flow test later but the one a couple of days ago was negative
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Post by RobEG on Jan 7, 2022 9:06:01 GMT
Kids have another cold. We’re still getting over the last one from about a month ago.
All did negative LFTs this morning but will book us all in for pcr tomorrow.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 7, 2022 9:12:31 GMT
All of us keep having cold / Omicron symptoms but keep testing negatron. I actually want the psychological boost of knowing I've had it so I can rest assured in the knowledge we're all about to come down with it in the coming weeks.
However keep reading so many anecdotes of negative LFT tests when people clearly have it, often confirmed by PCR.
Doesn't feel right booking PCR test for what is essentially an intermittent snivel and slight headache. Maybe. I think it's still more likely that we don't have it.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jan 7, 2022 9:16:42 GMT
Has anyone had any experience with long term effects after asymptomatic infection? I had a period of about a week at home where my throat went a tiny bit dry and weird but I had no LFTs left to check. I thought it was just the cold, dry weather at the time but I'm starting to feel like something else may have been at play.
My throat now feels fucked in a way I've never felt before, like it's damaged on one side without ever having actually been unwell. My head has also completely gone and I'm knackered all the time. I can't concentrate for the life of me to the point where I feel like I'm a liability just driving to work.
I've probably cooked this all up in my head. I've done several LFTs in the last few days that have all come in negative.
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Post by RobEG on Jan 7, 2022 9:40:35 GMT
I was convinced we had it over xmas. LFTs every day all negative. It's just been a cold that we just can't shake. Did pcr right at the start which was negative. Now we've got this 'new' cold starting. I can't believe with the amount of Omicron going round that we have just a cold. But thats what it seems like at the moment. We had our boosters just before xmas so I guess we are pretty well protected at the moment.
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Post by elstoof on Jan 7, 2022 10:15:50 GMT
Has anyone had any experience with long term effects after asymptomatic infection? I had a period of about a week at home where my throat went a tiny bit dry and weird but I had no LFTs left to check. I thought it was just the cold, dry weather at the time but I'm starting to feel like something else may have been at play. My throat now feels fucked in a way I've never felt before, like it's damaged on one side without ever having actually been unwell. My head has also completely gone and I'm knackered all the time. I can't concentrate for the life of me to the point where I feel like I'm a liability just driving to work. I've probably cooked this all up in my head. I've done several LFTs in the last few days that have all come in negative. Yeah, I had all the post viral symptoms last summer despite not knowingly having it. I’ve been getting pretty regular throat infections since then as well, like having an ulcer right at the back of my throat for a couple of weeks
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 7, 2022 10:26:49 GMT
Anyone know why they're trying so hard to avoiding going to 5 on the Nandos scale? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59902220Pretty hard to argue that the NHS isn't at risk of being overwhelmed when you're sending the army in to assist and 20+ NHS trusts have declared critical incidents. I get that to us it's largely meaningless, just a number... but to the government, apparently not? Is it because of the negative PR, or does it mean that they'd automatically have to implement certain steps.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 7, 2022 11:07:54 GMT
Because shutting down the country due to a lack of NHS staff would be a massive overreaction when there are other options? That is why these sorts of systems are in place as it’s essentially a short term resourcing issue.
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Post by Psychotext on Jan 7, 2022 11:10:54 GMT
Because shutting down the country due to a lack of NHS staff would be a massive overreaction when there are other options? That is why these sorts of systems are in place as it’s essentially a short term resourcing issue. So are you suggesting that happens automatically at level 5? That's my question. I'm not advocating for lockdowns, I'm just wondering why they haven't addressed the fact that the NHS is very much on the brink of being overwhelmed in some places. Or is it that it's not being overwhelmed everywhere? The methodology says this: Given they're already implementing urgent measures (cancelled ops, army assistance, cancelling leave etc), you'd argue they were already acting as though they were in level 5. Obviously if it's the case that they HAVE to implement certain measures (like lockdowns) then I completely get why they're desperate to avoid classifying the status at the highest level.
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Post by TheSaint on Jan 7, 2022 11:14:17 GMT
It's almost like it's not in their interest to draw attention to the impacts of a decade of cuts and underfunding.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 7, 2022 11:15:52 GMT
I think they (even Boris) has acknowledged how fucked the NHS is going to be this month. Other than support from the army I don't know what can be done to help. Future admissions are already baked in, additional restrictions aren't happening and we know (hope) that this wave will be short and sharp.
Isnt it just a case of the old Daniel Beddingfield thing "we just gotta get through this".
I do think frontline staff should all receive a bonus from the government but that won't happen, not least because it's hard to draw a line under who should/shouldn't be getting one.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 7, 2022 11:32:30 GMT
Declaring a critical incident is the solution though (for now). It means they can get resources from other services. Things are really fucked when that’s not enough though.
Based on that level 5 criteria, it sounds like the NHS should permanently be at that level given the underfunding and understaffing they have.
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Post by richardiox on Jan 7, 2022 11:46:53 GMT
As of today several trusts have declared their critical incidents over which is surely a good sign considering how high case rates remain and the fact we're 3 weeks since recorded cases hit 100k+ a day.
At this point I just want to fast forward through the next couple of weeks. My worry is cases peak but don't come down they just plateau at a high case rate throughout February as Omicron searches out the rest of the susceptible population, which thanks to 2 million cases a week or whatever is a rapidly dwindling pool.
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Post by 111 on Jan 7, 2022 12:22:56 GMT
Based on the methodology you posted (e.g. "implementation of urgent national measures"), I suspect the difference here is that it's a) individual (albeit multiple) hospitals, rather than nationwide and b) that the primary issue is being short-staffed, rather than overwhelmed by demand.
The staff shortages, while horrible in the meantime if you work in a hospital, will resolve themselves - by staff getting through isolation and going back to work, rather than needing "urgent national measures" (e.g. lockdowns) to bring them to an end.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Jan 7, 2022 12:38:29 GMT
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Post by askew on Jan 7, 2022 12:48:16 GMT
At this point I just want to fast forward through the next couple of weeks. My worry is cases peak but don't come down they just plateau at a high case rate throughout February as Omicron searches out the rest of the susceptible population, which thanks to 2 million cases a week or whatever is a rapidly dwindling pool. Perhaps I need to Leeroy Jenkins my way to London
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 7, 2022 14:28:43 GMT
It’s roughly a month on from my positive bout.
Only remaining symptom is taste/smell still not working properly.
Had my Moderna booster this morning; we’ll see what side effects I get…
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