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Post by Rich on Oct 2, 2023 14:01:30 GMT
Poor brain slugs
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 2, 2023 14:21:45 GMT
Am I living in fucking Bizarro World where Liz Truss is gaining relevancy again, the same Liz Truss whose premiership couldn't even last longer than a head of lettuce. The facts are that Sunak is incredibly weak, but weak enough to let Truss' group gain relevance? Where are we at here?
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Post by geefe on Oct 2, 2023 14:22:54 GMT
Long may it continue. It fractures them. Their voters may abstain instead
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 2, 2023 14:37:23 GMT
Building 500,000 new houses a year doesn't sound like a terrible idea. But it's going to go down like a lead balloon with their target voters.
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Post by dfunked on Oct 2, 2023 14:39:37 GMT
They just need to spin it a different way:
We're building 500,000 new homes, but Captain Hindsight wants to fill them with rapey immigrants.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 2, 2023 14:46:43 GMT
It’s more than we need but ignoring that, cutting tax and environmental protections isn’t going to make that happen. Where are the materials and people to build them coming from?
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Oct 2, 2023 14:47:43 GMT
It feels like they’re in the death knells of their party let alone their government. They’ve purged all the half sensible ones, live in a world of conspiracy theories and trying to fight on nothing but culture wars (and amongst themselves).
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 2, 2023 14:49:03 GMT
Building 500,000 new houses a year doesn't sound like a terrible idea. But it's going to go down like a lead balloon with their target voters. You should see the amount of anti-building protests around here. Every village is having an estate welded onto it and the midsommer murders crowd are losing their fucking minds.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 2, 2023 14:53:28 GMT
Half the country is deserted as well. Instead of just sticking more housing into villages and towns build new towns and infrastructure.
Around here they’ve just doubled the size of one small town in the space of two years, they’ve done the same where I live over ten years. At this rate around here about 5 towns will merge into one massive town with 3 GPs and about 10 shops within a decade.
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Post by tincanrocket on Oct 2, 2023 14:57:11 GMT
Surely this is the social cost of austerity? You cut all the social programmes people rely on because of the upfront cost, you get a bill at the end of it. Whether through increased crime, increased mental health problems , ad infinitum. In the long run, it costs more and makes society a worse place. At this point, you have to say it's ideological, which is dangerous. The government are applying 1980's, or Thatcherite solutions to an economy that is 40 years down the line and needs new solutions and they don't have the talent to think of anything new. But when the state-run solutions don't work (because their budgets have been stripped to nothing) this allows the Neo-liberal establishment to trumpet the need for privately-run solutions, and they can then out-source the work to Serco, who then charge double what it would cost to run a decent service if the government chose to fund it properly, and get the local councils to pay for it. Bingo! Everyone's a winner (well, not everyone, but everyone that counts)
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Post by stuz359 on Oct 2, 2023 14:58:46 GMT
Building 500,000 new homes, great!
Trying to incentivise the private sector to do it through tax breaks? Not so much.
Most private developer projects are a mix of private sale, private rented (BTL investors) with 15 % given over to social housing. If there's an overshoot on the development, the social housing part of that can be reduced or forgotten about entirely.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 2, 2023 15:04:34 GMT
But tax breaks are the solution to everything!
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Post by Danno on Oct 2, 2023 15:05:29 GMT
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Post by X201 on Oct 2, 2023 15:06:19 GMT
Its yet another, "We're going to get buggered at the next election. Quick, give our backers something" like they did with the extended rail contracts and the oil drilling rights etc.
Look after your own.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 2, 2023 15:22:28 GMT
#accidentaldictionarydefinition
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 2, 2023 15:25:09 GMT
#onlythebestpeople
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 2, 2023 15:25:18 GMT
I don't really understand economics. The conservatives answer to everything is tax cuts, and they throw out tax cuts before every big election, and they've been in power for the past 13 years, and somehow the UK apparently has 'the highest tax burden in decades'.
And yet at the same time we've had austerity and massive cuts to things like public services.
How did they manage to pull that off?
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Post by Danno on Oct 2, 2023 15:32:06 GMT
Im cheerier possible news, looking at some seat polling the following are forecast to be Portillo'd: Iain Duncan Smith Raab Rees-Mogg "30p" Lee Anderson Miriam Coates Steve Baker Gregg Hands Jonathan Gullis Alok Sharma (think he's announced not standing anyway?) Grant Shapps Andrea Jenkyns (she of bird flipping fame) Theresa Villiers Natalie Elphicke (former wife of the naughty tory) Phillip Davies (host on GB News) Chris Philp Graham Brady Hunt showing a majority of 0.5% Sauce: twitter.com/PollingReportUKpollingreport.uk/seats
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Post by TheSaint on Oct 2, 2023 15:32:56 GMT
@bill
Because they give the tax money to their mates rather than investing in public services.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 2, 2023 15:33:27 GMT
They cut tax for 10% of people and raise it for everyone else. When they say 'tax cuts' what they mean is bribes to the already wealthy and grist for the 'temporarily embarassed millionaire' idiots.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 2, 2023 15:35:42 GMT
As funny as that is on the surface, I would rather not have the mental incompetence of our ruling class so clearly written down. It defies belief that, even if they bought into it, they cant see how catastrophic the optics for signing up are.
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Post by Danno on Oct 2, 2023 15:44:52 GMT
Bit late for that to be honest.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 2, 2023 15:48:07 GMT
Building houses makes absolutely sense and is a necessity. But only they are affordable and if you invest in the local infrastructure, both physical and services. No point if people can't afford them and the sewer mains overflow with new units to serve.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 2, 2023 15:49:48 GMT
I never really get the problem of walking around somewhere and everyone else speaking a different language. I don’t go out to listen in on other peoples gossip so it’s just noise.
Foreign = bad, why?
I also assume these people that complain never go overseas.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 2, 2023 15:50:19 GMT
Its happened here. Extra housing is great. Having the same old shitty roads and shared services, notsomuch.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 2, 2023 15:52:28 GMT
Building houses makes absolutely sense and is a necessity. But only rhey are affordable amd if you invest in the local infrastructure, both physical and services. No point if people can't afford them and the sewer mains overflow with new units to serve. Every new house built around here is £600k+, they haven’t built a single flat for at least 10 years. Investment in infrastructure is zero and the building of the estates has fucked all the roads and causes flooding most years. Some of the locals complained about the farmer until he pointed out the new houses are in the exact place that used to mean flooding never happened.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 2, 2023 16:02:34 GMT
Its happened here. Extra housing is great. Having the same old shitty roads and shared services, notsomuch. Need a doctor? Tough shit, nearest one is 30 mins away. Schools? Bad luck, all full innit. It's not complicated, just needs planning and investment.
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Post by TheSaint on Oct 2, 2023 16:49:55 GMT
Building houses makes absolutely sense and is a necessity. But only rhey are affordable amd if you invest in the local infrastructure, both physical and services. No point if people can't afford them and the sewer mains overflow with new units to serve. Every new house built around here is £600k+, they haven’t built a single flat for at least 10 years. Investment in infrastructure is zero and the building of the estates has fucked all the roads and causes flooding most years. Some of the locals complained about the farmer until he pointed out the new houses are in the exact place that used to mean flooding never happened. Round here they only seem to be building flats. Good news for the first time buyers that can afford them but nowhere to go when they want to take the next step up the ladder.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 2, 2023 17:00:26 GMT
Have you ever thought about renting? You won't believe this, but apparently...
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Post by JuniorFE on Oct 2, 2023 17:02:53 GMT
So "bad person" = "doesn't vote conservative" is the takeaway here then?
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