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Post by elstoof on Aug 5, 2023 8:23:52 GMT
Because however bad the tories are, it would’ve been even worse under Corbyn
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Post by elstoof on Aug 5, 2023 9:06:49 GMT
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Post by Danno on Aug 5, 2023 9:11:10 GMT
Like like like? Likelikelike - likelike! Like.
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Post by geefe on Aug 5, 2023 9:16:28 GMT
Corbyn was just "working man" Kryptonite. It was never going to work. Starmer is dull but gives a better vibe.
Also, bluntly, Rishi is a brown bloke.
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Post by apollo on Aug 5, 2023 9:29:01 GMT
Corbyn was just "working man" Kryptonite. It was never going to work. Starmer is dull but gives a better vibe. Also, bluntly, Rishi is a brown bloke. from what I've read, gammons like Rishi as "he is one of the good ones" wink wink
With Corbyn, he would of awful PM dealing with Putin and all his "tankie" supporters supporting Putin because they hate NATO. Corbyn would of been a good PM but only in world with no wars, no hate and no crime
Labour or labour/lib dem alliance seems to be the only party for the UK. Starmer might be dull but rather that than more tories and their inhuman shits that take turns as PM
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 5, 2023 9:29:25 GMT
Corbyn is like someone’s well meaning but grumpy grandfather who has blind spots (that are a major issue) that he doesn’t recognise. He’s also awful with the media.
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 5, 2023 9:30:54 GMT
Considering TikTok is supposed to be for people who have no attention span she really is shit at getting to the point.
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Post by sport✅ on Aug 5, 2023 9:48:15 GMT
SoCal SuNak!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 5, 2023 10:03:59 GMT
Corbyn is like someone’s well meaning but grumpy grandfather who has blind spots (that are a major issue) that he doesn’t recognise. He’s also awful with the media. With incredibly thin skin who is completely unable to accept criticism. That alone discounts you from leadership material imo, but one of those types was a former president so what do I know?
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 5, 2023 10:27:37 GMT
With Corbyn, he would of awful PM dealing with Putin and all his "tankie" supporters supporting Putin because they hate NATO. Corbyn would of been a good PM but only in world with no wars, no hate and no crime I don't think Corbyn would have been a good PM in any world, but he certainly would have been terrible in our one that features the Russians invading a neighbouring country. I expect he would have been encouraged to continue the support we were already providing Ukraine (believe we have been supplying them with arms since 2014), but I doubt he would have increased that. He definitely wouldn't have gotten involved with the kind of rhetoric around needing to defeat Russia and as time progresses he would have been talking more and more about capitulating to Russian demands in order to get "peace". In the grand scheme of things though, he likely would have been ignored and there wouldn't be much difference. The US is doing the bulk of the support, with the UK a very distant second. I do think he would have handled COVID much better than Johnson did and put saving lives at the fore. He would have been crucified by the press for spending too much, but I suspect his approach would have cost a lot less than the approach our actual government took and there would have been a lot less deaths. In general, I can't see him being worse than Johnson was, albeit certainly not great.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Aug 5, 2023 10:35:38 GMT
A Corbyn premiership, especially during Covid and the Ukraine war would have put Labour out of power for 20 years. Fundamentally he's too much of an idealogue. No matter how good your plan is, it'll have unforeseen, negative consequences. Dealing with these requires a level of flexibility he just doesn't possess.
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 5, 2023 10:37:12 GMT
tbh how screwed the world is right now, I fully expect Boris to become PM again as the gammons cheer When you come to the realisation that around a third of humanity is a fucking idiot everything starts to make a lot more sense. As for Corbyn, he may have had some good ideas but he never come across as anything put a tetchy bastard even when asked reasonable questions, you can think a journo is being a twat but you really shouldn't show everyone that. He was never going to be a good Prime Minister no matter what his fanbase thinks.
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 5, 2023 10:47:00 GMT
tbh how screwed the world is right now, I fully expect Boris to become PM again as the gammons cheer When you come to the realisation that around a third of humanity is a fucking idiot everything starts to make a lot more sense. "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
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Post by zephro on Aug 5, 2023 11:05:49 GMT
Corbyn is like someone’s well meaning but grumpy grandfather who has blind spots (that are a major issue) that he doesn’t recognise. He’s also awful with the media. With incredibly thin skin who is completely unable to accept criticism. That alone discounts you from leadership material imo, but one of those types was a former president so what do I know? Apart from all of the above. To add to the chippy messianic personality he was also not that bright. He'd have been shit at communicating, via the media, to the wider public to get buy in with any policy. He can really only talk to crowds from a soap box where everyone agrees that X is bad. He'd have been rubbish across policy detail. He'd have been bad at managing a shadow cabinet. He'd also have been woeful at actually getting legislation through Parliament, all the rebellions you need to head off, deals you need to do, knowing which amendments in the Lords to fight or back down on etc. Not that any of the recent holders of the office have sterling reputations on most these points. May was at least across policy detail, even is she was shit on most other counts. Johnson, annoyingly, could communicate broadly when needed. Sunak can do detail and has mostly stopped the Government haemorrhaging votes to rebels. Even if they're all hyper-dimensional cunts. Truss is the only one who would get such a broad sweep of unqualified for the job. I always got the feeling John McDonnell, while not as good at getting a crowd jazzed up, would have been way better at actually being a functionally qualified PM.
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Post by Rich on Aug 5, 2023 11:07:33 GMT
Corbyn and his group of Stop the War numpties would have been calling for Ukraine's capitulation (in the name of peace) from day one. He would have been an absolute liability when it came to any matters of national security.
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Post by Chopsen on Aug 5, 2023 11:11:06 GMT
Corbyn was shit at the game of politics generally.
I heard an anecdote about how Cameron used to enjoy running rings around him at PMQs. Corbs would go "what are you doing for single mums on Tower Hamlets you bastard?" and Cameron would just use it as opportunity to boast about all the policies he had and how they help people and give them airtime. Every single time.
You can bitch about the rules of the game all you like but it's the only game in town. If you want to do well in politics you have to learn how to play it.
Interestingly, I think Sunak is proving to be pretty shit at interviews too. He often comes across as if the issue being asked about is below his pay grade and is annoyed he's having to spend time thinking about it
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Post by clemfandango on Aug 5, 2023 11:14:02 GMT
About fucking time, send the cunt back to NZ. Better still stick him on the first plane to Rwanda
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 5, 2023 11:29:09 GMT
Interestingly, I think Sunak is proving to be pretty shit at interviews too. He often comes across as if the issue being asked about is below his pay grade and is annoyed he's having to spend time thinking about it I think that’s exactly what he does think. He’s not interested in those that need help, intelligent policies, he cares about big business, how it benefits him and his mates and how he can get more votes but with no apparent thought beyond what some gammon has shouted shit recently.
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Post by geefe on Aug 5, 2023 11:50:25 GMT
What should I say to a mate who is convinced, absolutely convinced that Corbyn is
- a good man - would have been a good PM - is a man of the people
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Post by cubby on Aug 5, 2023 11:51:19 GMT
Okay mate.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 5, 2023 11:54:36 GMT
Much like those that are still on Trump Kool Aid, I don't think there is anything you could say to convince the Corbynites. They've been presented with all the evidence to show that he was not fit for the job, but they dismiss it as all media lies.
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Post by nexus6 on Aug 5, 2023 11:58:42 GMT
What should I say to a mate who is convinced, absolutely convinced that Corbyn is - a good man - would have been a good PM - is a man of the people We'll see
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 5, 2023 12:21:27 GMT
What should I say to a mate who is convinced, absolutely convinced that Corbyn is - a good man - would have been a good PM - is a man of the people We'll see I still wonder if he was actually real or was just playing a role.
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Post by apollo on Aug 5, 2023 14:57:20 GMT
Guessing this "we'll see" was a corbyn cultist? (only use to occasionally post in the comments secton in EG) There is a lot of this types on reddit, cult like devotion to "jezza" as they like to call him but they woud rather 10 years more tory leadership rather than Starmer as PM as its corbyn or nothing (also very hateful and bitter tankie types)
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Post by kal on Aug 5, 2023 15:04:31 GMT
Corbyn and Boris were the Yin and Yang of populism. It wasn’t a good time for British politics and we’re still somewhat in the fallout of it, although Starmer and Sunak do feel like step back in the right direction of serious politicians that actually talk about proper issues.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 5, 2023 16:10:22 GMT
It would be really useful if we knew when we were going to die, would help you budget better. I would advocate a Logan's Run style scenario.
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Post by stuz359 on Aug 5, 2023 19:17:57 GMT
Corbyn and Boris were the Yin and Yang of populism. It wasn’t a good time for British politics and we’re still somewhat in the fallout of it, although Starmer and Sunak do feel like step back in the right direction of serious politicians that actually talk about proper issues. Agreed that Corbyn and Boris were both populists, flip side of a coin. But Starmer and Sunak being serious politicians? Starmer says pretty much nothing for fear of being attacked by the press and Sunak is basically going further than Johnson would dare because his hair is better and presents as a professional. The political class in this country is an absolute joke that's not funny. Neither party offer anything new, or innovative or something resembling change. It's all just TINA (there is no alternative) and it's pathetic. Austerity has been in effect for 13 years and has delivered a lower standard of living for the majority of people (billionaires living large though) and that's what's what both parties are offering come next election. It feels like a show. The politicians are the PR for a select group of technocrats that 'definitely' know what they're doing. There's no leadership on show here. What's on offer is managed decline, but who can manage it better? That's why I drink.
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Post by kal on Aug 5, 2023 19:57:38 GMT
I didn’t say they were serious politicians.
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Post by stuz359 on Aug 5, 2023 21:03:58 GMT
I didn’t say they were serious politicians. Fair do's
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Post by apollo on Aug 6, 2023 11:09:22 GMT
Tories plan to push people to private medical and people get in debt like in the USA is going well I see. From living in the US for 7 years it was really fucked up people getting in debt for medical reasons
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