Lizard
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Post by Lizard on Jul 30, 2023 7:46:00 GMT
Motorists do have it hard.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 30, 2023 7:58:42 GMT
The only road things most people want are fewer pot holes and fewer road works.
I don’t give a shit about low traffic zones.
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askew
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Post by askew on Jul 30, 2023 8:57:39 GMT
Another one who should no longer be taken seriously.
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Post by Dougs on Jul 30, 2023 9:00:10 GMT
Manufactured culture wars is all they have left.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 30, 2023 10:23:07 GMT
It’s all they ever had.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 30, 2023 10:58:44 GMT
Sunak probably wants to convert roads into more helipads so he can fly short distances more conveniently.
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Rich
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Post by Rich on Jul 30, 2023 11:06:26 GMT
END THE WAR ON HELICOPTERS
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Post by djronz on Jul 30, 2023 12:46:02 GMT
As a "motorist" I personally welcome roads will less traffic.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 30, 2023 14:01:38 GMT
Doesn't Sunak's current war on environmental rules sit a little uncomfortably with all the headlines about the hottest month on record, greece burning down, etc...
It's fucking horrible here. Too hot to go outside. Too hot to do anything.
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Post by deekyfun on Jul 30, 2023 17:45:42 GMT
It should, but he's a twat, so I guess not.
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sport✅
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 30, 2023 18:29:06 GMT
Doesn't Sunak's current war on environmental rules sit a little uncomfortably with all the headlines about the hottest month on record, greece burning down, etc... It's fucking horrible here. Too hot to go outside. Too hot to do anything. It would, if it was actually sizzling here in the UK. But it's a washout and the average voter ain't feeling it.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 30, 2023 19:24:59 GMT
He’s appealing to Daily Mail readers who think because it’s been cooler and wet here in July that global warming is all made up. He’s on safe ground speaking to the typical Tory voter.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 30, 2023 19:43:43 GMT
It's just about trying to claw back enough voters that they don't get too much of a wipeout come the general election. They know that the by-elections the other week we're just 500 votes away from being a total disaster for them and they need to make sure other seats don't swing that little bit more in someone else's favour.
If they actually had any hope of winning, they wouldn't be taking a strategy like this, as all polling suggests that the majority of people actually do want green policies and understand we need to change to do what needs to be done. Instead, they are desperately trying to shore up the 20% or so of people that will be drawn to anti-green policies to make sure they don't go off to Reform or whoever it might be.
If they can get enough people back to their side to cause a hung parliament, they will consider that victory.
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Post by Danno on Jul 30, 2023 20:52:07 GMT
If they can get enough people back to their side to cause a hung parliament, they will consider that victory. I'm rather hoping for this outcome, it's the only route to proper electoral reform that shuts the tories out forever - because Labour will need to be marched to it at gunpoint. Careful what you wish for and all that, but still.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 30, 2023 22:19:02 GMT
True. If the outcome was electoral reform then that would be the best result (and Tories would regret trying so hard).
The other potential of a hung parliament though is a completely ineffectual Labour government unable to do anything for a few years, replaced by another Tory one as soon as any opportunity arrives. Judging by the way the membership has been voting recently, they will have someone absolutely batshit in charge.
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Post by djronz on Jul 31, 2023 5:54:13 GMT
Let's not try and be too clever here. I fully support electoral reform but a hung parliament won't bring that. Let's just get these c*nts out first and go from there.
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Rich
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Post by Rich on Jul 31, 2023 6:01:36 GMT
A hung parliament is exactly what could bring it. A coalition with the demand of a PR ref at minimum etc.
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Post by Dougs on Jul 31, 2023 6:05:33 GMT
The Lib Dems tried that before remember. And totally fucked it. Would be the same outcome as before (although of course they could just not have a referendum and do it anyway).
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geefe
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Post by geefe on Jul 31, 2023 6:05:54 GMT
Can the Libs choose Lab this time, please?
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geefe
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Post by geefe on Jul 31, 2023 6:39:14 GMT
So Sunaks and the Tory play for this next year is "fuck the environment and fuck anyone who isn't a big business and we'll make a load of cash before we're booted".
Honestly, just let Scotland go independent and fuck this shitty England off.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 31, 2023 6:41:50 GMT
It is also worth considering the Lord's reforms too. If that does go anywhere and it does become an elected house, I would think it quite likely that it will be some kind of PR style voting system. Once you have that in place there, it would make transitioning the Commons a whole lot easier.
I feel doubtful that a hung parliament will deliver on refrom and it feels like a massive gamble. If we don't get that reform then I can't see a hung parliament being anything but a disaster, leading to not just another 5 years of decline for this country, but another decade once the Labour government inevitably gets ousted.
Probably best to wait and see what the Lib Dem manifesto says about it before we start wishing for it. If they downplay it in anyway or they say they would have a referendum, then it ain't happening. Will also be interesting to see how much the membership in Labour kick up a fuss during conference season.
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Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 31, 2023 8:04:19 GMT
If the case hasnt been made for Lords reform these last few weeks then we will be stuck with it until the sun dies.
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Post by eleven63 on Jul 31, 2023 8:25:04 GMT
And now Rishi is looking to curb the power of local councils to impose 20mph zones and LTN's, because it's 'anti motorists'. They forget that it was Johnson who introduced the idea, and gave out £200m to fund initial schemes!
Going anti green, therefore woke, is the conservatives play until the run up to next year's elections - fuck actual policies that may benefit people, follow the GOP playbook to the last letter.
Utter shower of shits.
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Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 31, 2023 8:38:00 GMT
Our town recently lowered all residential speed limits down by 10mph. 30->20 and 40->30. Its ended up, and I think the council have more or less admitted it, that its to focus peoples minds on driving more carefully than rigidly enforcing the new limits.
Its ended up with pretty much everyone splitting the difference and driving at 25/35 and the filth basically tolerating it.
My complaint about it is that it cost £Xm quid to implement on top of all the £Xm quid they spent on other ridiculous traffic calming schemes when we are driving on, effectively, third world roads. Fix the fucking potholes first. I have my tracking done once a year because it gets knocked out so frequently by the increasingly widening maws that are absolutely everywhere.
I dont really care about the speed limit being lowered but having people swerving all over the place to avoid potholes has to be dangerous enough to actually do something about.
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Frog
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Post by Frog on Jul 31, 2023 8:38:11 GMT
The 20mph zones can fuck right off, completely unnecessary in most of the places they are put.
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Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 31, 2023 8:39:26 GMT
Having lived in a town with it for the last six-ish months, it basically makes no difference to anyones life.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 31, 2023 8:45:40 GMT
Last time I went back to the UK it did feel a bit weird being driven at 20mph into town, along a road I used to drive at 30mph along. 20mph does feel incredibly slow.
But my parents (who live there and drive along it almost every day) didn't seem to mind. By the end of a 10 day stay I'd kinda got used to it.
I thought it was more about pedestrian survival rates than the environment though.
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Post by Danno on Jul 31, 2023 8:46:42 GMT
Cool, more North Sea licences.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jul 31, 2023 8:51:15 GMT
It's shit in West London because they constantly fluctuate. With traffic and on street parking you rarely get above 30 around here but the 20 zones are surrounded by 30's and the occasional multi-lane 40.
Very easy to enter a 20 without noticing and get pinged with a camera fine. My one and only ticket was from doing 27 in a 20.
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dogbot
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Post by dogbot on Jul 31, 2023 9:01:27 GMT
In Bristol (my only really city 20 experience), you could rarely do above 20 in the the 20 zones anyway (unless you were a complete twat). There were usually cars parked on both sides and traffic wanting to go in both directions down the single available bit of tarmac, so it never really made any difference. I generally avoid going down those sort of roads unless I have to.
Here in the middle of nowhere, people just seem to crawl around anyway. Eventually, it starts to get you too, and you just start pootling everywhere. It's kinda freeing, tbh.
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