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Post by Zyrr on Jul 5, 2023 8:18:40 GMT
Here's a prime example: we're currently renovating an old house out in the country that I'm hoping will be the last home we ever buy. I'm looking to spend quite a bit on solar/wind and batteries to make the place as self-sufficient as possible. My mum is all "you'll never make your money back. It's a con!" It doesn't matter how much I try to explain that I'm not looking to make a profit, but laying the groundwork for future generations to (hopefully) benefit from, she just doesn't get it.
But then, she does read the fucking Daily Mail.
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Post by mothercruncher on Jul 5, 2023 8:23:10 GMT
That me first thing does feel baked in to boomers. Twat over the road from me refuses to recycle anything- everything goes in the bin and to landfill. I’m genuinely pissed off every Wednesday 🤨
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Post by Dougs on Jul 5, 2023 8:50:19 GMT
That's proper shitty. I mean, it's a drop in the ocean (literally) given what China and India etc need to do to make a difference, but it's the least we can do.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 5, 2023 9:25:05 GMT
The client media seem to be doing their best to prop this up.
‘It’s called weather, duh’. I hope your parents got a refund your private education.
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Post by simple on Jul 5, 2023 9:34:56 GMT
That's proper shitty. I mean, it's a drop in the ocean (literally) given what China and India etc need to do to make a difference, but it's the least we can do. Even from a purely ego centric point of view I like to think that as best I can manage, I’m not actively trying to destroy the planet and set my 4 yr old to live in Mad Max times
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 5, 2023 9:35:49 GMT
I have explained to one person that if it’s cold here it isn’t cold over the whole planet.
I get the selfishness to a degree, but actively resisting it or trying to discourage others is just being a cunt.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Jul 5, 2023 9:38:07 GMT
That's proper shitty. I mean, it's a drop in the ocean (literally) given what China and India etc need to do to make a difference, but it's the least we can do. China has put lots into renewables recently. Mainly because if climate change continues, many of their major cities will become uninhabitable for months at a time. I know you're not presenting the "Why should I both if they're not going to." argument, but in the case of China it's busted on the above grounds.
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Post by deekyfun on Jul 5, 2023 11:59:34 GMT
I feel like 'Today is cold' is the laziest most literal cherry picking possible. Anyone who uses that argument at me is going in my oven, Hansel and Gretal-style, but done right; not screwing around accidentally feeling up twigs and whatnot.
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Post by Dougs on Jul 5, 2023 13:55:35 GMT
That's proper shitty. I mean, it's a drop in the ocean (literally) given what China and India etc need to do to make a difference, but it's the least we can do. China has put lots into renewables recently. Mainly because if climate change continues, many of their major cities will become uninhabitable for months at a time. I know you're not presenting the "Why should I both if they're not going to." argument, but in the case of China it's busted on the above grounds. Fair, it was a large assumption. Good to hear that things are changing though.
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Post by gibroon on Jul 5, 2023 14:13:16 GMT
China has put lots into renewables recently. Mainly because if climate change continues, many of their major cities will become uninhabitable for months at a time. I know you're not presenting the "Why should I both if they're not going to." argument, but in the case of China it's busted on the above grounds. Fair, it was a large assumption. Good to hear that things are changing though. Yeah, China are going all in for renewable energy. You can say what you want about their governance but they are not stupid. They have managed in 5 years what they thought they would do in 10 i.e. drop coal power stations from 70% of the electrical output to 50%. They quickly realised "why are we shipping tonnes of coal from Australia when we can get free power from sun,wind and HEP". Obviously this has cost them a lot to set-up but the benefits will be decades lasting.
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Post by geefe on Jul 5, 2023 14:18:00 GMT
Yeah China are really pulling their finger out. In a lot of ways I do admire them just seeing a problem, getting on with it and shoving two fingers up to the lazy west.
But also Hong Kong and Uyghurs
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 5, 2023 16:22:36 GMT
They also know they can own the entire industry through investment.
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Post by X201 on Jul 5, 2023 19:54:35 GMT
State investment in industry!? Are they mad? Capitalism is the only way business can thrive.
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Post by Danno on Jul 5, 2023 20:11:32 GMT
State investment in industry!? Are they mad? Capitalism is the only way business can thrive. Especially when other states are investing in your infrastructure. Sweet sweet government money for sweet sweet government dividends.
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Post by zephro on Jul 5, 2023 20:21:20 GMT
Almost as if Thatcher's whole shtick was a quick fix
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Post by stuz359 on Jul 5, 2023 21:30:10 GMT
China really is astonishing. Not a fan of the human rights abuse stuff. But pretty much every year they are installing 1.5x solar than we have installed total. Same trend with wind.
They know that coal, oil and gas is killing them. As Dougs mentioned, large parts of China will become uninhabitable for months of the year, reaching wet bulb temperatures.
There have been multiple sources making the argument, that because of climate change, migration will increase massively.
I heard one that kind of terrified me. As you all know I'm an eternal optimist. But the premise was, 'What happens when countries with large standing armies decide to move?' If you can't guarantee food security at home, and you have military might, you probably use that power to secure it.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 5, 2023 21:35:28 GMT
Yeah, there sure as shit will be wars to come over inhabitable land.
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Post by Dougs on Jul 5, 2023 21:43:29 GMT
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Post by Danno on Jul 5, 2023 21:44:59 GMT
How has it taken this long.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 5, 2023 22:15:05 GMT
I guess investigating a former Prime Minister took priority.
Another by-election on the way.
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Post by X201 on Jul 5, 2023 22:15:24 GMT
Somerton by-election predicted to be at least a 40% swing from Con to Lib Dem. Would be one of the biggest by-election swings ever if it happens.
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Post by bichii2 on Jul 5, 2023 22:20:54 GMT
I still think the conservatives win the general election. I mean Brexit happened and I think that was less likely than a Tory win now. People are fuck wits. The cleaner in my ward is ex army, comes from a poor family. Kids are poor etc and he will still only vote Tory. Doomed.
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Post by technoish on Jul 5, 2023 22:26:50 GMT
China really is astonishing. Not a fan of the human rights abuse stuff. But pretty much every year they are installing 1.5x solar than we have installed total. Same trend with wind. They know that coal, oil and gas is killing them. As Dougs mentioned, large parts of China will become uninhabitable for months of the year, reaching wet bulb temperatures. There have been multiple sources making the argument, that because of climate change, migration will increase massively. I heard one that kind of terrified me. As you all know I'm an eternal optimist. But the premise was, 'What happens when countries with large standing armies decide to move?' If you can't guarantee food security at home, and you have military might, you probably use that power to secure it. They will need the army at home to quell unrest. It simply isn't so simple as to invade and take land elsewhere - Russian invasion is showing that. It would be extremely hard to just try for Taiwan. And where is China going to do so that it would make a dent in their needs? In downside scenarios I believe we will see perhaps hundreds of millions die of starvation and catastrophe in China. But on the point of at least major populations going in the move - I think we will see the current routes from North Africa and middle east as minute precursors for what is to come. Population growth there remains high and will go from being a fraction of Europe a hundred years ago to a multiple. And from climate catastrophe and poverty millions will follow those attempting the trips in boats across the Mediterranean and English Channel.
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Post by Danno on Jul 5, 2023 22:28:05 GMT
I still think the conservatives win the general election. I mean Brexit happened and I think that was less likely than a Tory win now. People are fuck wits. The cleaner in my ward is ex army, comes from a poor family. Kids are poor etc and he will still only vote Tory. Doomed. shuddup shuddup shuddup I do think you're wrong for what it's worth. The social and financial pain is biting deeply, and there's only one direction that the finger can point now that the dreaded EU can't take the fall.
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Post by technoish on Jul 5, 2023 22:37:45 GMT
I still think the conservatives win the general election. I mean Brexit happened and I think that was less likely than a Tory win now. People are fuck wits. The cleaner in my ward is ex army, comes from a poor family. Kids are poor etc and he will still only vote Tory. Doomed. shuddup shuddup shuddup I do think you're wrong for what it's worth. The social and financial pain is biting deeply, and there's only one direction that the finger can point now that the dreaded EU can't take the fall. I've had my doubts about Tories losing, but I think the mortgage bills stuff will really put it to bed. And I think we will see many many more commitments and promises unravel. I think the wait as long as possible strategy will prove the worst option.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jul 5, 2023 22:38:34 GMT
I hope I'm proved wrong, but I've got no faith in the people of this country.
Or people en masse in general, come to that.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 5, 2023 22:40:31 GMT
As much as I want to avoid being too optimistic (and a year or so seems a long time for polling not to change), but it does feel inevitable now that there will be a Labour government following the next election. My one bit of pessimism is that I have a feeling things are going to be in such a state that they won't actually do very much or only mostly stabilise things and the Tories will be back after one Labour term, with some complete loon from this New Conservative wing in charge.
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Post by Danno on Jul 5, 2023 22:41:01 GMT
I hope I'm proved wrong, but I've got no faith in the people of this country. Or people en masse in general, come to that. Me either, usually, but I think the blues will be so uninspired by this shower that they stay home, while the people getting fucked will actually show up to get rid of them. And hopefully some of those blues are too infirm by now (or have left the country because their Coutts account was closed) to vote in the first place
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jul 5, 2023 22:48:23 GMT
As much as I want to avoid being too optimistic (and a year or so seems a long time for polling not to change), but it does feel inevitable now that there will be a Labour government following the next election. My one bit of pessimism is that I have a feeling things are going to be in such a state that they won't actually do very much or only mostly stabilise things and the Tories will be back after one Labour term, with some complete loon from this New Conservative wing in charge. Yeeah, that seems very likely. Even if Labour do win we might have a reprieve for a few years but then one of the lunatics will be in. The future just seems so bleak.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 5, 2023 23:05:00 GMT
There's pretty much no chance the Tories will win the next election, this isn't going to be 1992 all over again, Major's government wasn't as hated as the current one and things were still mostly working back then.
People are fed up and even if Labour don't get some 1997 style landslide they'll still be the biggest party at the next election.
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