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Post by TheSaint on May 23, 2023 11:48:59 GMT
I imagine him getting his own Hell's Kitchen style Apprentice show where he shouts at people. Dammit, I shouldn't give them ideas. (This idea is copyright me! You can't use it!) Dom Does Dover - Former foreign secretary and Brexit minister Dominic Rabb learns the importance of the port of Dover to UK trade first hand when he shadows a variety of different people that work and use the port every day. Coming soon to Channel 4. |
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Post by barchetta on May 23, 2023 11:50:38 GMT
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Post by TheSaint on May 23, 2023 12:01:54 GMT
She really wants to get the boot before those immigration numbers come out on Thursday.
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Post by sport✅ on May 23, 2023 12:02:20 GMT
I imagine him getting his own Hell's Kitchen style Apprentice show where he shouts at people. Dammit, I shouldn't give them ideas. (This idea is copyright me! You can't use it!) Dom Does Dover - Former foreign secretary and Brexit minister Dominic Rabb learns the importance of the port of Dover to UK trade first hand when he shadows a variety of different people that work and use the port every day. Coming soon to Channel 4. He's gonna go full Ross Kemp I reckon. |
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Post by geefe on May 23, 2023 12:20:48 GMT
"People used to call me a bully. Now I bully the bullies. I'm Dominic Raab and I'm venturing deep into the unknown territory of a British workplace, to find out what it really takes to get the attention of HR"
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Post by Vandelay on May 23, 2023 12:37:50 GMT
And now Braverman is announcing that foreign students will not be allowed to bring dependents. They really are vile.
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Post by Vortex on May 23, 2023 12:55:11 GMT
And now Braverman is announcing that foreign students will not be allowed to bring dependents. They really are vile. Guess they're trying to bring down the whole education system now, just like the NHS too. Given how much international students pay, it'll be keeping a lot of places afloat. UEA is pretty fucked as it is with massive debts, as are a lot of further edu-ma-cation places so this could get interesting. As usual, it is highly short-sighted and spiteful policies they tout. |
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Post by dogbot on May 23, 2023 12:59:33 GMT
She really wants to get the boot before those immigration numbers come out on Thursday. Or... She (like many of her peers) genuinely believes that the rules don't apply to her. And let's face it, so far, she's been shown to be correct. |
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Post by Rich on May 23, 2023 13:48:42 GMT
It is utterly, utterly baffling how we've reached a situation where the Prime Minister of the UK is scared of upsetting Suella Braverman.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 23, 2023 14:01:53 GMT
Well, she is bigger and scarier than him.
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Post by zephro on May 23, 2023 14:04:41 GMT
Serious question but how many undergrads and taught Masters students do actually bring family with them? As I suspect the number is pissing tiny so will have almost no effect.
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Post by DJCopa on May 23, 2023 14:08:49 GMT
Smells more like a headline to appease the STOP THE BOAT crowd.
Most (all) of their policies seem to be setup with little/no impact and all about the optics to the nutters!
edit - had a google: Visas issued to dependents up from up from 16,000 in 2019 to 136,000 last year. (Evening Standard) make of that what you will...
edit2 - better break down in below post...
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 23, 2023 14:11:06 GMT
This bbc article has some numbers.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 23, 2023 14:15:59 GMT
While I'm sure it's largely a message aimed at the Stop The Boats lot, it doesn't seem wholly unreasonable.
That said, a lot of postgraduates are going to be older, so they're more likely to be married. And it's worth noting that those dependents are paying upwards of 1,000 pounds each in visa and nhs fees.
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Post by zephro on May 23, 2023 14:19:17 GMT
Huh well things have changed since I was a student then. I'd have thought 6% was high even when I was doing my Masters in 2006. 20% seems fucking crazy. Who the hell brings a partner to an undergrad course? You're just going to break up in 6 months.
EDIT: In fairness during my PhD it was far more normal(ish), but it's not like this covers that.
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Post by X201 on May 23, 2023 14:21:50 GMT
We're just going to see a massive increase in Drama Studies Research courses.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 23, 2023 14:28:17 GMT
Undergrads already can't, apparently. So it's basically 33% of Postgrads, or probably not because it'd depend if they also had kids.
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Post by Vortex on May 23, 2023 14:34:15 GMT
IME, it's mostly been post-grads from the oil states that do that, as it's often government sponsored for them. Significant pressure on them to pass, both from their government and on their supervisors from the higher ups at the university.
They pay through the nose and bring the wife and kids over too, it's all money in the local area, so would have thought the tories would have loved the minor trickle down economics.
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Post by zephro on May 23, 2023 14:43:06 GMT
Ah yeah that makes more sense. Most the other Masters/Mature students who weren't British I knew were generally European/North American/South American/South African, so they generally seemed like normal students. Feckless, single and drunk.
Even back then there was a big subset of Chinese students, but they really kept to themselves for some reason. They did all appear single mind; rather than mature students with families.
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Post by geefe on May 23, 2023 15:05:38 GMT
A friend works in the HE sector doing English courses for the post grads or government funded students. The money sloshing about for it is insane. He sees mostly African or middle eastern learners who have been put up in private apartments and told to fucking learn.
Dunno if they bring the family over, mind.
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Post by X201 on May 23, 2023 17:30:11 GMT
Boris Johnson referred to the police by the Cabinet Office regarding events at Chequers during covid
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Post by Whizzo on May 23, 2023 17:32:07 GMT
Johnson is so honest though I'm sure he's done nothing wrong...
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Post by simple on May 23, 2023 17:46:42 GMT
I work in HE and without internationals the sector is fucked.
They pay more or less double what a home student does and some disciplines (engineering, maths, business) would probably collapse without African and South Asian students populating those courses.
Pre-pandemic there were some institutions looking to counter Theresa May’s funding cuts and the reduced numbers of EU students by trying to aim for a third to half of their overall intake being international recruitment.
Banning dependents would seriously knock numbers and at research level (phds) it would be enormous.
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Post by technoish on May 23, 2023 18:16:55 GMT
Research post grad studies are not included in the change, so PhDs not affected.
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Post by Ulythium on May 23, 2023 18:18:13 GMT
Johnson referred to police over potential Covid rule breaches
Lock him up! Lock him up!
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Post by simple on May 23, 2023 18:25:32 GMT
Research post grad studies are not included in the change, so PhDs not affected. Like all good researchers I was being extremely selective in which bits I read |
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Post by Rich on May 23, 2023 19:05:32 GMT
Love the fact that he's been referred after the committee saw entries in his own diary.
6pm: Look serious and threaten the nation
7pm: Massive piss up with the Buller-Boys round my place
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Post by technoish on May 23, 2023 19:13:41 GMT
The thing is, this part of politics is not going to go away, and the pressure is going to increase. UK birthrate is likely to stay low/decrease, while other poorer countries are still on the up. While it is true overall we will see birth rate and ppln growth top out in a few decades - we might also see some pretty terrible fall out from climate change, and increasing numbers of climate/economic migrants over that time. A prolonged food price crisis from Russia's invasion of Ukraine could increase food issues.
There aren't any solutions to this problem at national level. And it doesn't look like the international response to climate change is all that promising...
And in a country with a mega housing supply problem, it's not weird to be against importing more of that problem (whatever cultural/cash benefit that brings).
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on May 23, 2023 19:20:22 GMT
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Post by muddyfunster on May 23, 2023 22:04:04 GMT
Thought this was an interesting point:
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