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Post by kal on Jan 29, 2023 11:12:36 GMT
It’s because sometimes Boris did successfully wait out scandals. In fact early on him as PM it nearly always worked - Acuri, Cummings in lockdown, Patel bullying, the flat decorating - they all just kind of went away. It was Partygate that was the tipping point. They were all straws, though, and they did add up. Pincher wouldnt have got him the shove if all of the above didn’t happen. I guess Sunak thought he’d get his own new camel.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 29, 2023 11:16:58 GMT
It’s definitely (further) proof that they are incapable of change or even learning
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Post by dogbot on Jan 29, 2023 11:17:30 GMT
Well, at least he got his wife to pay tax here. Eventually.
Allegedly, anyway.
I'm sure the Boris allies who hate our current PM will have filed that away for later use.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 29, 2023 11:23:26 GMT
His resignation letter is amazing.
‘I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you pesky newspapers.
P.S. CV enclosed for Home Secretary’
Absolutely shameless.
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Post by Vortex on Jan 29, 2023 11:33:26 GMT
Sunday Times trolling the ridiculous prince andrew shizz in the Torygraph:
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Post by Chopsen on Jan 29, 2023 11:39:58 GMT
In our politics reputations are lost, not made. Once anyone wins power they are generally given the benefit of the doubt initially, and then incrementally adverse events attritionally wear away at their repution, and there is no way to win that back once it gets to the point that trust and faith is gone.
Johnson definitely picked up from other right wing populists elsewhere that if you just straight up refuse to apologise....nothing happens. It's a team sport and the your supporters want to see you win. To apologse is to admit "defeat." We are in a political era where possessing shame is putting you at a career disadvantage.
We haven't yet though gone down the road so far as the right in the US has gone. We still seem to eventually get to the point of collectively punishing those who do harm even if they come from the same political space as us. But it does seem to be taking a long time for that to kick in, and a lot of damage be done in that time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2023 13:15:40 GMT
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Post by zephro on Jan 29, 2023 13:41:41 GMT
Our politics is so fundamentally different to the US though I'm not sure drawing lessons is very instructive (Italy and Berlusconi may be a better fit). Prime Ministers, despite Johnson loyalists ideas on the matter, don't have personal mandates, its indirect at best. The party as a whole does with the PM being just the leader, which gives them power of patronage and over firing people that just doesn't exist in the US. The President will actually have a personal mandate but almost fuck all control over their party, there was no threat (withdrawal of the Whip and party funding) or bribe (sweet ministerial salary) Biden could make against Machin for instance. But then the inverse is also true where parties here can dispose of crap leaders, because the leader doesn't have a personal mandate, but the US it's basically impossible to remove a President with no shame.
Though yeah in general politicians in the UK just become gradually less and less popular till they're forced out at the nadir of their career. As either their party has had enough of them and considers them a liability (Thatcher, Truss, Johnson, May, Blair) or they just lose an election (Major, Brown, Milliband, Corbyn).
You can make it easier though by managing to have an even more unpopular leader than the opposition, Johnson was rarely popular he just happened to be more popular than Corbyn, who was extraordinarily unpopular.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 29, 2023 13:51:01 GMT
The Liz Truss line is amazing
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 29, 2023 13:52:38 GMT
Sunak falling back on "breaching the Ministerial Code" for getting rid isn't going to do him any favours he's taken ages to ditch when it was clear he needed to do that as soon as the matter became public. Zahawi is dodgy, he shouldn't be an MP at all.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on Jan 29, 2023 14:21:52 GMT
Hardly a revelation (or excuse) but the super rich simply don't believe they need to follow rules.
I've no problem with financially successful people being in governing roles but when your life experience is one of extreme wealth and privilege it's unavoidable you'll bring a "them and us" mentality to decision making.
You're never going to challenge the growing wealth divide and you certainly shouldn't be lecturing the working poor on budgeting or deciding their salaries.
The common misconception is their accumulation of wealth is down to hard work and being financially shrewd rather than circumstance, nepotism and cronyism.
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Post by Rich on Jan 29, 2023 18:49:41 GMT
Sunak falling back on "breaching the Ministerial Code" for getting rid isn't going to do him any favours he's taken ages to ditch when it was clear he needed to do that as soon as the matter became public. Zahawi is dodgy, he shouldn't be an MP at all. "I took decisive action immediately, when I was made aware of the full facts of the matter. Something something the member for Islington North."
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 29, 2023 19:09:33 GMT
An unexpected football/politics crossover on BBC1 today.
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 29, 2023 19:11:23 GMT
Sky News has seen Tory Whatsapp messages that are attacking the civil service for their own failings, fuck the lot of them. 30p Lee calling civil servants traitors would be a low point if you didn't already expect nothing from him.
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Post by Rich on Jan 29, 2023 19:14:03 GMT
They're awful to fly with but I do enjoy Ryanair's twitter.
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Post by X201 on Jan 29, 2023 19:17:04 GMT
Sky News has seen Tory Whatsapp messages that are attacking the civil service for their own failings, fuck the lot of them. 30p Lee calling civil servants traitors would be a low point if you didn't already expect nothing from him. No it’s good. Pissed off civil servants = more leaks. It’s going to be a fun (but exasperating) 2023
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 29, 2023 19:30:40 GMT
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Post by myk on Jan 29, 2023 21:21:03 GMT
"He says the only way to deal with the crossings would be to implement the plan to send them to Rwanda"
I mean, they could also make it easier for people to apply for asylum legally, maybe having a processing centre in Calais? Of course then you'd have to actually consider their cases, instead of being a xenophobic cunt like Lee Anderson.
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Post by zephro on Jan 29, 2023 21:22:34 GMT
I mean they will be slaughtered at the local elections, but I expect Lee Anderson's swivel eyed lunacy will probably have more to do with it than civil servants.
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 29, 2023 22:27:22 GMT
I really hope they know that these conversations get leaked. If even in private conversations they are saying the Rwanda policy is actually going to make any difference then they are even thicker than I thought they were.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 29, 2023 23:02:02 GMT
God, these people are so fucking stupid. But even more depressing is that people vote for them. Blows my mind.
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 30, 2023 13:29:45 GMT
Lessons learnt by Sunak : 0
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Post by geefe on Jan 30, 2023 13:39:57 GMT
Hahaha. Christ. I want to see journalists just look them in the eye and ask "place your chances of winning the next election on a scale of 1-10"
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 30, 2023 13:45:03 GMT
I’m at the aea conference in Birmingham at the moment. Just been in a seminar for planning for a snap general election. It’s being treated very seriously.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 30, 2023 13:47:52 GMT
Presumably voter ID a big issue?
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 30, 2023 13:56:29 GMT
Presumably voter ID a big issue? Yeah poll cards is the big talking point. Basically they have a lot more info on them now to include voter Id requirements, so they can no longer be a standard a5 card. There are several options, one now being an a4 letter in an envelope, however if there was a snap election, there isn’t time in the schedule to get the millions of envelopes printed in time.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 30, 2023 14:14:56 GMT
I’d imagine Royal Mail strikes would be a problem, although might be something that would help the conservatives.
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 30, 2023 14:31:59 GMT
I’d imagine Royal Mail strikes would be a problem, although might be something that would help the conservatives. Strikes aren’t really an issue as they are normally just random days. If it was for say a straight week, it would become a problem
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 30, 2023 16:06:47 GMT
I’m at the aea conference in Birmingham at the moment. Just been in a seminar for planning for a snap general election. It’s being treated very seriously. Interesting, but I still can't see what the path to a snap election is. It is only going to happen if Sunak calls for one and I don't see any reason for him to do that, unless he sees a chance to win it. At the moment, polling is very far from that*. Would love it to happen, but our system just doesn't really accommodate getting rid of a government that is failing when they have a majority of any reasonable size. *Slight caveat to that is that a few polling experts are saying that there are quite a few don't knows and that those don't knows are likely shy Tories. The numbers out of the polling booths, likely won't be as bad as they appear, but I can't see it being big enough for them to actually form a government and certainly not one that has anywhere near the power they have now.
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Post by X201 on Jan 30, 2023 17:07:07 GMT
There are vast amounts of shy Tories and people who don't spend as much time watching the news as we do. I'm gobsmacked how many people I know won't slag off the Tories or are still in love with Boris.
As it stands, the next election is not going to be a walk in the park for Labour.
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