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Post by otto on Jul 3, 2024 19:09:32 GMT
These days it feels that the only really meaningful difference between Labour and Conservative is that one lot are incompetent useless and corrupt and the other lot are serious and professional. That's not nothing and it's probably going to have to do us for now.
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Post by gibroon on Jul 3, 2024 19:22:18 GMT
Starmer saying a return to EU not going to happen has probably just swayed my vote.
Still think that was such a big fuck up for the UK.
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Post by Frog on Jul 3, 2024 19:29:44 GMT
The real danger comes if that people don't feel any meaningful change over the next parliament. People have to feel that there has been improvement or the door would be open to someone like reform promising change. They could very quickly go from being a bit of a joke to a bit of a problem.
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Post by hicksy on Jul 3, 2024 19:32:37 GMT
Air fry those truffles for maximum taste Air fried space penises. The future.
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Post by Chopsen on Jul 3, 2024 19:41:21 GMT
The real danger comes if that people don't feel any meaningful change over the next parliament. People have to feel that there has been improvement or the door would be open to someone like reform promising change. They could very quickly go from being a bit of a joke to a bit of a problem. Quite. And I worry there's a very big chance of this. Labour are betting the farm on (*gestures vaguely*) growth from somewhere saving them, and neither Labour or Starmer personally are that liked to start with.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 3, 2024 19:42:48 GMT
Starmer is being overly cautious on the EU and lots of other stuff too, can't frighten the horses just before the finish line.
I'd imagine there'll be movement on working closer with the EU on stuff pretty quickly.
Rejoining in the very near future? No but not being utter cunts to them and finding a path to that brings that closer sooner rather than later? Yes.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jul 3, 2024 19:46:17 GMT
Let’s all just enjoy tomorrow and Friday. Then we can start the doom-mongering for 2029. We all deserve a couple of days of happiness.
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Post by Vortex on Jul 3, 2024 19:46:20 GMT
He's previously said they would try to build a better relationship with the eu after the previous mobs scorched earth & own foot shooting policy.
I think it's just trying to keep all yourbrexit-voting kamikaze's on side.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 3, 2024 19:49:56 GMT
Brexit supporters are either dying off or realising it was a bloody stupid idea so opposition to rejoining will continue to fall. Plus if America goes fucking Trump again we really need to be getting closer to our neighbours.
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Post by technoish on Jul 3, 2024 19:57:04 GMT
Truth is that building the links takes the most well meaning people decades, but only takes a bunch of liars and chancers a couple years to destroy.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 3, 2024 20:06:27 GMT
Starmer is being overly cautious on the EU and lots of other stuff too, can't frighten the horses just before the finish line. I'd imagine there'll be movement on working closer with the EU on stuff pretty quickly. Rejoining in the very near future? No but not being utter cunts to them and finding a path to that brings that closer sooner rather than later? Yes. Yeah, exactly this. We aren't rejoining this decade, even if we suddenly had a party in charge saying it would be their priority. My guess is the plan is that Starmer's government will rebuild the relations and make sure we are aligned where possible. Assuming they hold power in 2029, I suspect Starmer will announce that he is standing aside before the 2034 election (remember, he is 61 now, so will be in his 70s before the third term election). Whoever replaces him might start talking about rejoining or having some kind of formal partnership. Saying we won't rejoin in his lifetime is a bit hyperbolic (and The Guardian article that had that as the headline didn't actually have the full quote, so I still don't actually know what context he said that in), but it is almost certainly right that he will not be the leader when it happens, even in a best case scenario.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 3, 2024 20:20:22 GMT
The real danger comes if that people don't feel any meaningful change over the next parliament. People have to feel that there has been improvement or the door would be open to someone like reform promising change. They could very quickly go from being a bit of a joke to a bit of a problem. Years and Years here we come!
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 3, 2024 20:25:31 GMT
This isn't some last minute campaigning from Jezza but fucking hell it's an awful way to go into election day, the last line? Holy shit. Hopefully not shit in the water now.
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Post by Danno on Jul 3, 2024 20:26:33 GMT
Every fucking line really. "You can drink the water in 4-7 days because we sold Royal Mail to say so"
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 3, 2024 20:53:00 GMT
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Post by Zomoniac on Jul 3, 2024 21:06:16 GMT
You haven't lived until you've dipped your Torres truffle crisps in Crème d'Isigny I tried them at the Landseer and they are disgusting right? Like a total waste of truffle, just for posh people to be able to spend too much on crisps. So fair play to whoever makes them for scalping rich people with no taste. Best pub crisps are Taytos. Nah, they’re amazing. But they are also a fiver for a 125g bag, so I’ve never bought them. I have a friend with far too much money who usually has plenty in the cupboard so I just invite myself round and eat hers.
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Post by razz on Jul 3, 2024 21:09:51 GMT
Let’s all just enjoy tomorrow and Friday. Then we can start the doom-mongering for 2029. We all deserve a couple of days of happiness. Thank you for this, I'm going to just relax and enjoy it.
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 3, 2024 21:13:00 GMT
By this time tomorrow, the polls will have closed.
Hopefully the colossal scale of the Tories' defeat will become apparent soon thereafter.
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Post by Goban on Jul 3, 2024 21:14:34 GMT
Let’s all just enjoy tomorrow and Friday. Then we can start the doom-mongering for 2029. We all deserve a couple of days of happiness. Couldn't agree more. There has been so little to be cheerful about recently, enjoy the moment.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jul 3, 2024 21:25:04 GMT
I predict minimal change and a row back on policies, NHS waiting lists, transport and asylum claim processing/hotel use will take more than 5 years. Great British Energy is a good idea but I worry it'll become an HS2 style fiasco.
It'll be blamed on inheriting a broken system and empty coffers. An already disaffected population will lose faith in Politics and 2029 will see a UK swing to some new Momentum/Tory combo.
That's if we avoid war with Russia, China and Iran, Mega-Covid and an AI Cyber blackout.
What a time to be alive!
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Post by Resident Knievel on Jul 3, 2024 21:25:33 GMT
These days it feels that the only really meaningful difference between Labour and Conservative is that one lot are incompetent useless and corrupt and the other lot are serious and professional. That's not nothing and it's probably going to have to do us for now. Dont forget if you're part of a minority Labour are less likely to use cruelty towards you as a distraction from their governance.
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Post by mothercruncher on Jul 3, 2024 21:27:06 GMT
By this time tomorrow, the polls will have closed. Hopefully the colossal scale of the Tories' defeat will become apparent soon thereafter. Genuinely looking forward to tomorrow night, bought beers today and will *actually* make popcorn 👌
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Post by simple on Jul 3, 2024 21:31:33 GMT
Big day for Reform in Newcastle
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Post by zephro on Jul 3, 2024 21:51:10 GMT
The real danger comes if that people don't feel any meaningful change over the next parliament. People have to feel that there has been improvement or the door would be open to someone like reform promising change. They could very quickly go from being a bit of a joke to a bit of a problem. Quite. And I worry there's a very big chance of this. Labour are betting the farm on (*gestures vaguely*) growth from somewhere saving them, and neither Labour or Starmer personally are that liked to start with. It is light on detail but I do think the direction of travel is different. They have gone in for nationalising some utilities like rail and theoretically having thing like GB Energy crowding in, private investment. The intellectual work is very different from Osborne/Sunak austerity or Truss low tax = growth magically. It's definitely a more Keynsian/Social Democratic approach to everything. However they are doing it on a shoe string budget and accepting fiscal rules from the other side so it may just not work. But it's definitely not the same thing.
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Post by Goban on Jul 3, 2024 21:52:15 GMT
I shall be toasting each snivelling Tory cunt who goes down, revelling in their every defeat.
I may, or may not, get quite drunk.
Thankfully I've taken Friday off. If it is an utter landslide, I may not sober up all weekend.
14 years of depressed drinkranting, I think I deserve a weekend off.
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Post by Dug Briderider on Jul 3, 2024 21:56:20 GMT
Hey there, will be watching this all rolling tomorrow for as long as I can whilst managing some celebration.
Couple of points if they've not been covered already (long thread). Super majorities and unchecked power. We don't have those here. You command a majority support in the houses of parliament you get your laws through.
Brexit has taught the country that anything above 50% and you can change as much as you like. UK Executive power is pretty wide reaching. Being in opposition means you can ask questions and prepare for government that's all.
Wouldn't mind some super majority tools to tackle the big constitutional changes (Voter reform, 2nd chamber, devolution, Europe) but we dont have those and so I dont see why opposition size is important other than keeping score.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jul 3, 2024 22:20:41 GMT
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jul 3, 2024 22:23:34 GMT
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Post by Danno on Jul 3, 2024 22:26:12 GMT
Stuff a cactus up my lovely and still get them. I'll worry about the cactus on Monday
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Post by Danno on Jul 3, 2024 22:27:18 GMT
Oh I'm single, so "my lovely" is personal
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