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Post by Tomo on Jun 25, 2024 18:39:26 GMT
I'm on holiday in Suffolk near Southwold and the amount of green party signs up around the area is pretty incredible. I'll have to look up later whether they are actually doing well or just have a strong sign game like the Lib Dems do round my way back home. I'm from near there! Or was when lived with rents. Suffolk is deeply Tory unfortunately. Full of people who love Barbour. And in the last 10 years, increasingly full of London second home wankers. I think the Greens presence comes from the deep disdain for Sizewell C, which has been mooted for as long as I've been alive and seems will finally be a reality in the next 10 years.
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Post by simple on Jun 25, 2024 19:39:46 GMT
Don't think that went the way the people who paid for it expected. Huge if true
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 25, 2024 19:44:55 GMT
Hope Owen Jones is ok.
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Post by elstoof on Jun 25, 2024 19:51:10 GMT
I can’t believe the cult of personality might not be that strong after all
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Post by technoish on Jun 25, 2024 20:04:36 GMT
Seems like insane labour/ex labour margin tho!?!?
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Post by zephro on Jun 25, 2024 20:19:37 GMT
Don't think that went the way the people who paid for it expected. Having been leafleting and door knocking for Labour in the constituency I think it's closer than all that. But also vox pops by Owen Jones, The Times etc. have all been utterly insane.
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Post by simple on Jun 25, 2024 21:41:56 GMT
It was always Stephen Bush’s argument whenever Tories would try to jump to UKIP or go independent that the idea of an MP having a personal mandate of any real worth outside of the party branding was basically entirely false. I’d have thought if it existed anywhere it would be for Corbyn.
If anyone had the combination of factors that would play well I’d have thought his profile and longevity would be it.
That said he did lead Labour to their worst defeat in about 40 years so that’s probably a big X in the negative perception column.
You never know, the poll might work in his favour as a motivator for his campaign’s voter mobilisation effort.
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Post by Onny on Jun 26, 2024 4:46:11 GMT
Talking of massive defeats and bets - anyone want to bet on whether Rishi will take personal responsibility for this potentially imminent destruction of the Tories? Or will he instead blame it on his predecessors? Or other external factors?
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Post by X201 on Jun 26, 2024 6:07:05 GMT
Private Eye spotted some shenanigans. Tories have made over 100 recent appointments to public bodies, some were only announced after the election was called.
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Post by otto on Jun 26, 2024 6:12:40 GMT
ffs - link?
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Post by sport✅ on Jun 26, 2024 8:08:12 GMT
Talking of massive defeats and bets - anyone want to bet on whether Rishi will take personal responsibility for this potentially imminent destruction of the Tories? Or will he instead blame it on his predecessors? Or other external factors? Are you forgetting the ultimate boogeyman, "the previous Labour government"?
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Post by peekconfusion on Jun 26, 2024 8:47:34 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 26, 2024 8:49:48 GMT
He'S gOt A pOiNt.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 26, 2024 8:56:50 GMT
Doubling down I see. I assume the reason he is taking this stance is because he is more concerned about sticking to the Trump message than his actual success in the UK elections. I really can't see this playing well with his main demographic, who long for the days of the blitz spirit (that they were never a part of).
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Post by otto on Jun 26, 2024 9:42:47 GMT
Yes, exactly, he's still clearly mainly focused on where he'll be after 4 July which is halfway up Donald Trump's colon.
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Post by hedben on Jun 26, 2024 9:53:39 GMT
I did one of those political compass tests for the election (votecompass.uk) and got 85% Green and only 51% Labour.
I know you have to take them with caveats, like the lesser parties being able to say any old shit in their manifestos because they won’t ever have to enact them, and first past the post / 2 party system meaning people should vote for the lesser evil or vote tactically. But Christ, I’ve been anti Tory / pro Labour my whole life, how am I only 50% in agreement with them now? I really feel like they’ve moved away from me rather than the other way around.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 26, 2024 9:55:58 GMT
I really can't see this playing well with his main demographic, who long for the days of the blitz spirit (that they were never a part of). Nah, Russia have spent a fortune on warping the brains of the elderly to convince them they are cool, actually. You'd be surprised at the 'Russia Did Nothing Wrong' sentiment among the terminally online retiree circuit. I would put the mortgage on it not hurting his popularity one jot because this is exactly the plan. Convince idiots everything is on the level and then eventually be in a strong enough position for a politician to just come out with it. Bang, its an accepted viewpoint.
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Post by otto on Jun 26, 2024 9:57:03 GMT
tbh I get a bit cross when people dismiss the smaller parties as being able to say any old shit, I mean that might be true of Reform but I don't think it's true of the Greens. I was listening to Alastair Campbell on his podcast this morning reading out the headlines from the Green manifesto in a tone of increasing scorn and disbelief, but every one he mentioned had me nodding along thinking "yeah I'd vote for that". Yes, they would cost a lot of money. Yes, they would have to raise taxes for everyone not just on the super wealthy. Yes, they own that. Yes, I'm OK with that. It's a perfectly valid policy platform, if people don't like that then they don't have to vote for that, but they fucking should if they want results.
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Post by hedben on Jun 26, 2024 10:12:07 GMT
otto that’s fair, I do also like the Green manifesto and I wasn’t trying to say it’s not viable, I just meant the reality is in an ideal world (with proportional representation) you’d vote for the party whose platform you agree with most, but this isn’t an ideal world. I like that I’m 85% in agreement with the Greens, and I probably will vote for them - but if I thought there was the slightest chance that my non-tactical vote would let the encumbent Tory win my constituency there’s no way I’d risk it.
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Post by otto on Jun 26, 2024 10:20:00 GMT
Totally with you there
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Post by minimatt on Jun 26, 2024 10:24:52 GMT
always voted green in PR elections more as a single issue signal to other parties to buck their ideas up on climate change & environmental policies
several policies don't survive a close read unscathed - i think i saw their carbon tax policy had the unintended effect of massively reducing fuel duty etc - but that's forgiveable in a smaller party with less eyeballs & money
my prob with greens in government is their annoying tendency to go quite nimby whenever anyone suggests actually building green infrastructure - solar farms, tidal barrages, train lines, affordable housing etc. I'm also a little wary they're vulnerable to momentum entryism, and sure a lot of momentum policies are ones i'd agree with but momentum people regularly prove to be an absolute shower of cunts
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 26, 2024 10:29:26 GMT
The Green's energy policy is pretty much wishful thinking, I don't think anyone is a huge fan of nuclear reactors (well maybe the French) but until storage technology can catch up with wind and solar to keep hold of what it produces for when it isn't producing then you'll need something to be a backup supply.
As minimatt says they seem to want to ban the building of things that make environmental sense as well.
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Post by dfunked on Jun 26, 2024 10:32:47 GMT
hedben similar for me. 81/51. Labour seem to be lurching more towards the middle ground as the Tories go ever further to the right.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 26, 2024 10:35:47 GMT
I did one of those political compass tests for the election (votecompass.uk) and got 85% Green and only 51% Labour. I know you have to take them with caveats, like the lesser parties being able to say any old shit in their manifestos because they won’t ever have to enact them, and first past the post / 2 party system meaning people should vote for the lesser evil or vote tactically. But Christ, I’ve been anti Tory / pro Labour my whole life, how am I only 50% in agreement with them now? I really feel like they’ve moved away from me rather than the other way around. Also did this and got 56% Labour. 79% Green and 70% Lib Dem. I'm not hugely surprised really. My support for Labour mainly comes from the simple fact that under political system we only really have 2 parties and the winner takes all the power. Seems a bit pointless supporting a party like the Greens who will never get near power and are unlikely to ever have much of a voice either. Come 4th July, I will be voting Lib Dems (and me saying that in the Vote Compass questions might have added more to the weighting they received), but that is because they are most likely to win in my Tory seat, rather than a desire to see them walk into No.10. I vote for them in the knowledge that it will (in a very, very tiny way) help to see a Labour government. The fact I align with Labour by 56% compared to 34% for the other lot (amazed it is that high) makes it an easy choice for which one I want in power.
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2024 10:36:17 GMT
I did one of those political compass tests for the election (votecompass.uk) and got 85% Green and only 51% Labour. I know you have to take them with caveats, like the lesser parties being able to say any old shit in their manifestos because they won’t ever have to enact them, and first past the post / 2 party system meaning people should vote for the lesser evil or vote tactically. But Christ, I’ve been anti Tory / pro Labour my whole life, how am I only 50% in agreement with them now? I really feel like they’ve moved away from me rather than the other way around. Good website. I'm 71% LD and 67% Labour but on the political landscape I'm just left of Labour. I'm in a Labour vs. Tory constituency so Labour vote is easy. I'd have no problem voting LD if I were in that sort of area.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 26, 2024 10:44:18 GMT
Interesting. I'm more skewed to social progressive. 70% Green, 62% Lib Dem.
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2024 10:44:51 GMT
The fact I align with Labour by 56% compared to 34% for the other lot (amazed it is that high) makes it an easy choice for which one I want in power. Heh, I wouldn't read too much into this. A lot of the issues have Labour and Con in the same category, sometimes only separated by how MUCH they agree/disagree to an issue. If you go through them there are even a handful where the Greens and Reform are in total lockstep.
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Post by technoish on Jun 26, 2024 10:45:19 GMT
Right in the middle. Lib Dem, labour, conservative, green was my ordering. Not that a big % difference.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jun 26, 2024 11:01:38 GMT
This is the same group of idiots that protested outside Keir Starmer's house demanding he stop the Israel/Palestine conflict as if it was anything to do with him.
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Post by sport✅ on Jun 26, 2024 11:08:30 GMT
Poor Rishi, if it's not Thames Water dumping shit in his lake, it's Youth Demand.
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