Ulythium
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 6, 2024 12:34:07 GMT
Going from Sunak to this is positively whiplash-inducing (in a good way).
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Post by Frog on Jul 6, 2024 12:36:45 GMT
Life was actually pretty good under Blair's Labour, they are often blamed for leaving the country broke but everyone conveniently forgets the global financial crash when they do it.
The illegal war is another matter entirely but if we lived in a Britain that resembles the one from that period, we wouldn't be doing too bad imo.
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Post by Danno on Jul 6, 2024 12:50:22 GMT
God the press are such miserable cunts
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Post by simple on Jul 6, 2024 13:00:25 GMT
Life was actually pretty good under Blair's Labour, they are often blamed for leaving the country broke but everyone conveniently forgets the global financial crash when they do it. The illegal war is another matter entirely but if we lived in a Britain that resembles the one from that period, we wouldn't be doing too bad imo. I’m not saying Starmer will lead us to become a glorious nation of dazzling public services and eradicated poverty but I think the decline from Austerity through Brexit to now has been like that boiling a frog in slowly warming water analogy. The idea that nothing works and we shouldn’t expect it to has been normalised over such a long gradual process that as a nation we’ve forgotten how good it is for things to be just ‘not broken’ nevermind functional or actually good. That’s kind of where I was coming from with my post yesterday that even a minor increase will make an enormous practical difference for a lot of people. Who knows whether they’ll achieve it but after 14 years its pretty novel that the government is even entertaining the possibility of maybe trying at some point.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 6, 2024 13:03:36 GMT
Agree. After 14 years it's frankly bizarre to see a government setting out their intentions of reaching that very low bar of regular governance without posturing or vainglorious statements.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 6, 2024 13:06:14 GMT
Just hearing these issues mentioned by them without being begrudgingly prompted is a marked fucking improvement. I'm willing to see how it goes before booking myself in at the Swiss Dignitas to be honest. It's been the most positive couple of days I can remember tbh. Sure it may not last but I might also get hit by a bus tomorrow as well.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 6, 2024 13:07:35 GMT
Haha fucking hell. That's the spirit lads.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 6, 2024 13:24:46 GMT
Life was actually pretty good under Blair's Labour, they are often blamed for leaving the country broke but everyone conveniently forgets the global financial crash when they do it. The illegal war is another matter entirely but if we lived in a Britain that resembles the one from that period, we wouldn't be doing too bad imo. Agreed, and it was definitely better than it seems to have been recently. It just wasn't all sun and roses. I'd imagine PPP is the reason a lot of hospitals, schools etc.. are having trouble now, for example.
While I think the Blair/Brown years were definitely better for the UK as a whole than the subsequent Tory years, and they did make decent progress on some things like 'leveling up' before it was called leveling up, I don't have fond memories of Straw, Dowling, Harman, Blunket, etc.. (who often made the Tories look like wishy washy liberals)
This lot deserve a chance though, and I can't see them being anything but an improvement. The press is going to chip away at them though, and they'll be stuck appearing on Question Time with right wing pundits and being put on the spot about impossible issues, etc..
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Post by Frog on Jul 6, 2024 13:26:48 GMT
They just need to keep an honest approach and counter rhetoric with facts and have the numbers to back it up
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 6, 2024 13:40:27 GMT
Timpson seems like a good guy, and I'd agree with him about prisons. But the right wing press is going to be all 'soft on crime!' and the problem with releasing prisoners, or community sentences, is that it just takes one prisoner on release to do something terrible and it gives ammunition to those attacking the government.
There has been evidence for decades that, in many cases, no custodial sentences and rehabilitation work better than just locking people up with a bunch of other criminals, but press-driven 'public outrage' means that after every such event the laws get more draconian.
Hopefully him and Starmer are tough enough to weather the incoming shitstorm.
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Post by Tuffty on Jul 6, 2024 13:51:14 GMT
Would be curious to know about how effective the Netherlands approach to prisoners is given he used it as an example.
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Post by simple on Jul 6, 2024 14:04:05 GMT
Would be curious to know about how effective the Netherlands approach to prisoners is given he used it as an example. Give them scho musch of the schex they won’t want to do more crimesch?
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Post by Frog on Jul 6, 2024 14:09:24 GMT
Hmm someone has just tried that over here and it didn't go well, she has lost her job.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 6, 2024 14:20:06 GMT
The right wing press can whinge as much as they like, their "team" had 14 years in charge and fucked things when it came to prisons and policing so they can piss off.
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 6, 2024 14:58:15 GMT
A real rogues' gallery of candidates to replace Sunak: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51y2lqzxl8o- Badenoch ('nuff said) - Braverman (ditto) - Cleverly (ugh) - Patel (double ugh) - Tugendhat (not extreme enough) - Atkins (likewise) - Jenrick (best known for hating child asylum seekers)
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Post by elstoof on Jul 6, 2024 14:59:33 GMT
I really hope braverman gets it, going full tilt extremist would detroy the party entirely
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Post by apollo on Jul 6, 2024 15:33:26 GMT
From the link, Tugendhat sounds someone the other tories would hate for not being like the other cunts listed. He sounds ok, not much on Atkins from the link
At the minute Labour are making the right noises are working already, we all know its going to be difficult and long uphill struggle for labour to fix the shit the tories have done but its better than another 5 years of tories. Also loving how the tankies/greenandunpleasant cunts still crying over labours win, cry more
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 6, 2024 15:40:34 GMT
Cleverly to win wielding a chainsword and shouting about purging the party of heresy.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 6, 2024 15:46:36 GMT
Tommy Tugs feels like he would be the best choice to restore some semblance of sanity back to the party. The mediocre, well spoken posh boy of old to steady the ship a bit.
Perhaps even old Rory could get his job back and stop being such a wet fart podcaster.
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 6, 2024 15:50:09 GMT
T-Tug looks like the only sane option on that list...
... So he's never going to be chosen in a million years.
It'll be Braverman or Badenoch, I reckon, with the other serving as deputy.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 6, 2024 15:55:45 GMT
Isn't Patel in the mix too?
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Post by apollo on Jul 6, 2024 15:56:41 GMT
James Cleverly is a massive cunt as well, so he has a chance to be the next tory leader?
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Post by X201 on Jul 6, 2024 16:05:30 GMT
If it’s anything like last time, the same ones in the party need to keep their heads down until the lunatic ‘more right mob’ have elected another loon like Truss
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Post by cubby on Jul 6, 2024 16:20:03 GMT
They've lost the few sane members that survived the 2019 purge, it's all nutjobs now and they've simmered down to a strong reduction. So with a dearth of ideas and competence they have no choice but to try to woo the reform vote back as that's where the majority of the votes that won them before have gone. It's a problem they will have as long as farage exists now, they forget that 2019 the brexit party didn't run against any conservative held seats.
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Post by elstoof on Jul 6, 2024 16:26:38 GMT
Those days with riches of talent on hand like Jonathan Gullis seem a long time ago
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Post by technoish on Jul 6, 2024 16:27:51 GMT
Starmer just seems so comfortable in charge now... Not entitled or pretending. what a change.
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Post by brokenkey on Jul 6, 2024 17:20:50 GMT
A real rogues' gallery of candidates to replace Sunak: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51y2lqzxl8o- Badenoch ('nuff said) - Braverman (ditto) - Cleverly (ugh) - Patel (double ugh) - Tugendhat (not extreme enough) - Atkins (likewise) - Jenrick (best known for hating child asylum seekers) why isn't Hunt on that list?
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Post by technoish on Jul 6, 2024 17:22:04 GMT
He's said he doesn't want it.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 6, 2024 17:24:28 GMT
Sounds like Hunt has been scared off by how close him holding on to his seat was.
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Post by X201 on Jul 6, 2024 17:26:32 GMT
He tried twice before and has probably realised the membership would want to deport his wife
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