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Post by X201 on Jun 20, 2024 20:32:43 GMT
Rishi is very angry about the bets Angry in a way that makes him look like a sixth former who is going to write a strongly worded letter
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Post by minimatt on Jun 20, 2024 20:59:22 GMT
he's now very animated in telling the audience that they're wrong and he's right and this tactic is suprisingly unsuccesful in winning the audience over
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 20, 2024 21:05:36 GMT
Labour comms didn't hang about.
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2024 21:07:12 GMT
Labour comms didn't hang about. Wait did he say this shit
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Post by brokenkey on Jun 20, 2024 21:10:15 GMT
Access to finance and driving licences, as tools to make national service mandatory. Yes, he said that. But then said it would be for a royal commission to decide.
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2024 21:14:35 GMT
Just to clarify I am bored and done and absolutely tedious'd out of all of this bollocks (seen what little there is to see*) until 4 July, so I'm kind of (very) lazily (disgustingly) relying on you guys in this thread for my outrage now
*if Porcine blackmail occurs I will be RIGHT BACK** ON IT
**Not back bacon¥
¥Streaky sucks though
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2024 21:16:40 GMT
Access to finance and driving licences, as tools to make national service mandatory. Yes, he said that. But then said it would be for a royal commission to decide. Well that's one way to get the youth vote. Forgive my ignorance but a Royal Commission doesn't sound like a terribly democratic or accountable organisation? The fuck would that entail?
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Post by minimatt on Jun 20, 2024 21:22:38 GMT
it's not so much policies written on a fag packet as recycling fag packets found down the back of a pub sofa
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 20, 2024 21:24:31 GMT
From Guardian blog:
"And that’s it.
As the credits roll, there is some shouting from the audience that sounds like “Shame on you.” It is a reference to Sunak’s answer on the ECHR."
Sounds like Question Time will be another high point for the Sunak campaign!
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Post by brokenkey on Jun 20, 2024 21:25:59 GMT
Access to finance and driving licences, as tools to make national service mandatory. Yes, he said that. But then said it would be for a royal commission to decide. Well that's one way to get the youth vote. Forgive my ignorance but a Royal Commission doesn't sound like a terribly democratic or accountable organisation? The fuck would that entail? shirking responsibility for the outcome.
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Post by stuz359 on Jun 20, 2024 21:27:16 GMT
Access to finance and driving licences, as tools to make national service mandatory. Yes, he said that. But then said it would be for a royal commission to decide. I actually thought about the National Service thing today. For reasons. So in 2010 (or thereabouts) Cameron set out his 'big society.' Basically the idea was that charities make up for the services he was about to cut. Considering the expansion of food banks in this country, it worked, because we are a fundamentally decent society. That is now hitting the limit of peoples ability to be generous. So now, we are conscripting young people, to do the work required in communities that the state wants to cut (to pay for tax cuts). It will harm the economy in the long run as we are delaying the training of young people to work in the economy, but it will have a negative impact long term on economic growth. Curious about access to finance though. Does that mean a student loan? Other countries national service include incentivising people to do it, by paying for part or all of their further education. We could be getting it backwards again by punishing people if they don't do it.
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2024 21:30:59 GMT
I guess it's irrelevant at this point anyway.
I am definitely on board with the theory that he was actively scorching any chance of victory when he called it. He's an average petulant bitch and if he can't have it then [Taylor Swift lyrics go here].
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Post by X201 on Jun 20, 2024 21:34:52 GMT
Access to finance and driving licences, as tools to make national service mandatory. Yes, he said that. But then said it would be for a royal commission to decide. Well that's one way to get the youth vote. Forgive my ignorance but a Royal Commission doesn't sound like a terribly democratic or accountable organisation? The fuck would that entail? You get to set the rules, the goalposts and the players. And take none of the blame if you end up having to implement something horrible. You don’t have to implement it if you want. You can just ignore it, but at least you’ve fully investigated it.
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Post by brokenkey on Jun 20, 2024 21:35:24 GMT
I see the national service thing as the same pre-war prep that Germany did in the 30s. Train an elite class for officer roles in the army, and then train up other people to do the clean up jobs.
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2024 21:36:45 GMT
Well that's one way to get the youth vote. Forgive my ignorance but a Royal Commission doesn't sound like a terribly democratic or accountable organisation? The fuck would that entail? You get to set the rules, the goalposts and the players. And take none of the blame if you end up having to implement something horrible. You don’t have to implement it if you want. You can just ignore it, but at least you’ve fully investigated it. Oh like that thing in June 2016-present
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Post by stuz359 on Jun 20, 2024 21:46:06 GMT
That's true, any Tory policy at this point can be discarded as 'not going to be enacted.'
It was more of a thought process for me.
I just find the logic very weird. The Tory project was Austerity, because we've been spending like drunken sailors etc.
It wasn't, it was the perfect cover to cut the state and lower taxes. It was always a political project, not an economic one.
But as the state sector vacated (as much as possible) the welfare state, charitable endeavours came in to fill the void. Just as Cameron said it would (because we are a fundamentally decent society).
Now, because wages have been repressed so much, and inflation went high, peoples capacity to do charity has been squeezed to the point that, to coin a phrase, 'we can no longer rely on the charity of others.'
So, National Service was born (as policy that won't be enacted). But a good way of making further welfare cuts whilst keeping the semblance of a welfare state, on the cheap.
Which is where the tax cuts were going to come from. More public good will.
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Post by X201 on Jun 20, 2024 21:58:47 GMT
You get to set the rules, the goalposts and the players. And take none of the blame if you end up having to implement something horrible. You don’t have to implement it if you want. You can just ignore it, but at least you’ve fully investigated it. Oh like that thing in June 2016-present There hasn’t been a recent one. Grefell public enquiry started in 2017 - is that what you’re referring to?
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Post by Dougs on Jun 20, 2024 22:00:05 GMT
I think Danno means Brexit
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2024 22:01:47 GMT
Oh like that thing in June 2016-present There hasn’t been a recent one. Grefell public enquiry started in 2017 - is that what you’re referring to? What Dougs said
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Post by X201 on Jun 20, 2024 22:14:32 GMT
Ahh. That’s subject to the ultimate bit of enquiry rule setting. Just ignore it and the proles will forget about it
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2024 22:17:34 GMT
Ahh. That’s subject to the ultimate bit of enquiry rule setting. Just ignore it and the proles will forget about it Both of your posts perfectly encapsulate Cameron's approach and behaviour😁 Not sure why I smiley'd that.
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Post by stuz359 on Jun 20, 2024 22:19:06 GMT
This is interesting.
What I've been hearing, is that we have the 'fastest growing economy in the G7' or some bollocks.
Have we in fact been growing faster because everyone in this country is paying more for stuff?
Not sure of the provenance of these figures, so just a thought.
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2024 22:26:14 GMT
This is interesting. What I've been hearing, is that we have the 'fastest growing economy in the G7' or some bollocks. Have we in fact been growing faster because everyone in this country is paying more for stuff? Not sure of the provenance of these figures, so just a thought. We started from an incredibly low bar i.e. a recession. If Japan grows from 2.1% to 2.3% while we "grow" from -0.2% to 0.1% we're technically ahead on speed of growth.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 21, 2024 1:45:08 GMT
Japan's pricing is weird at the moment because the yen has halo-dropped in value.
So yeah, prices have gone up a lot here for people living here (6.6% was the figure I heard, but the gov is always using sneaky figures, so who knows). But because the yen is so low those price rises would look much lower in usd/gbp.
I used to import stuff from the UK because even with shipping it was cheaper than buying it in Japan. Even where the prices haven't changed it's way cheaper to buy it in Japan at the moment.
Anyway, all that's to say that, depending on how they worked out the figures, it might not be quite such a dramatic difference. Unless you're including exchange rates.
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Post by otto on Jun 21, 2024 4:26:39 GMT
We started from an incredibly low bar i.e. a recession. If Japan grows from 2.1% to 2.3% while we "grow" from -0.2% to 0.1% we're technically ahead on speed of growth. This pitch really infuriates me. Developing countries have high growth rates (clue is in the word ‘developing’), developed countries not because THEY’RE DEVELOPED. Growth rates are stupid metrics, only showing where you are now compared to where you were, and yet tories use them next to growth rates for much richer countries THAT DON’T NEED TO GROW SO FAST and say “ooh look at how great we’re doing” when in fact all those figures say is that the UK shat the bed so badly post-brexit that now we have to play desperate catch-up (at which incidentally it’s failing).
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Post by X201 on Jun 21, 2024 4:33:59 GMT
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 21, 2024 5:46:26 GMT
For those that didn't see it....
Mask has slipped a bit lol
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Post by elstoof on Jun 21, 2024 6:00:46 GMT
We started from an incredibly low bar i.e. a recession. If Japan grows from 2.1% to 2.3% while we "grow" from -0.2% to 0.1% we're technically ahead on speed of growth. This pitch really infuriates me. Developing countries have high growth rates (clue is in the word ‘developing’), developed countries not because THEY’RE DEVELOPED. Growth rates are stupid metrics, only showing where you are now compared to where you were, and yet tories use them next to growth rates for much richer countries THAT DON’T NEED TO GROW SO FAST and say “ooh look at how great we’re doing” when in fact all those figures say is that the UK shat the bed so badly post-brexit that now we have to play desperate catch-up (at which incidentally it’s failing). That was one of the brexit sales pitches wasn’t it, the EU isn’t growing as fast as Brazil so we should “do a trade deal” with them instead
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 21, 2024 6:20:48 GMT
I wish someone would have followed up with 'So you're willing to dilute every British citizen's human rights in order to transfer a few asylum seekers to Rwanda?'
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 21, 2024 6:32:12 GMT
I see the national service thing as the same pre-war prep that Germany did in the 30s. Train an elite class for officer roles in the army, and then train up other people to do the clean up jobs. This is the problem. By pandering to the geriatrics they have given this the worst possible aura but a policy to provide opportunities for young people is desperately needed. It’s hard to get a job, it’s hard to get experience and opportunities are massively unequal and dependent on whether or not your dad is the director of finance. A national scheme to *help* kids get the skills and experience they need would be great. It could have been a vote winner. But they have done it like cunts to appeal to their arsehole voters.
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