UK Politics Thread

Some of the shit aimed at her really does nothing to disprove the ‘Labour left are antisemitic’ thing. She trends pretty much every time 8/10 Cats is on purely through people abusing her.

Absolutely rent free.

Fair enough. I still strongly suspect it played an important part in what was definitely a PR strategy.

Probably, yeah.

I still can’t really find out what the Popcons stand for, or why they’re “taking back democracy” by having an unelected advisor as their leader.

I also have no clue what JRM means when he says “the age of the Davos man is over”. Wtf.

Presumably it's rooted in retaining the support of the working class areas that voted for Brexit, and in turn Boris Johnson. That's my understanding of the Rwanda clusterfuck because people in deprived areas are more likely to want stricter immigration policies.

Charlie Boy isn't banging on about the possibility of nanotechnology causing a Grey Goo event anymore, so that's something at least.

Oh dear oh dear. I thought someone like JRM would be anathema to an Australian.

She's married to one of the Candy cunts.

Won't stop me

Oh, property ‘developers’.

Genuinely interested in this now. I'm not taking sides, calling anyone anything, just want to know what people genuinely think.

So from my point of view, The Labour manifesto 2017 was the most exciting manifesto I had read in my life time.

From what I can tell, Jeremy Corbyn himself could or should never have been accused of antisemitism, indeed he has been a lifelong antiracist campaigner on all sorts of issues, including solidarity with Jewish communities. 

The Labour party itself under Corbyn, had a massive influx of people from 2015-19. Was this mass inherently antisemitic? The Forde report concludes that the Labour Party was no more antisemitic than the general population at large. Let's face it, we already know that about 1/3rd of every population is racist in one way or another.

Moving on, was he a terrorist sympathiser? His Schtick was always, 'if we want to make peace, we have to talk to our enemies.' Hard to disagree. Indeed, Thatcher, Major and Blair all had to talk to the IRA to make peace, but only Corbyn is singled out as the terrorist sympathiser. 

Is he a Russian asset? Love this one, emphasised by a Newsnight graphic of him in a Ushanka (photoshopped), red background of Moscow. When we had Johnson making a Russian Oligarch (or his son at least) a lord. 

I did have a problem with him on foreign policy, I could see that being a problem for people. He was quite naive on Real Politik, but not necessarily wrong on those issues, just an idealised version of how the world works. That's a problem with how the world works unfortunately.

Economically, did he propose anything radical? Not really. I know he would have liked to, but him and Mcdonnell were really careful to court the markets, they were fine with what was being proposed. It was a mild form of Scandinavian model without the taxes. Borrow to Invest, they proposed £25bn a year infrastructure spend, Current Labour maybe proposing £28bn a year.

I guess what I'm saying is, I just don't get where the visceral hatred comes from. I couldn't give a shit if the policies comes from Corbyn himself or someone who adopts the policies.

It's always interesting to me that we have people advocating for the liberal individual (not you lot obvs), so advocating for people taking personal responsibility, which means private healthcare and private school etc.

Same people will advocate for de risking the private sector to invest, so guaranteeing profits.

Same people who will vote against socialising de risking of society, such as healthcare and education.

I've gone off on a tangent, Sorry. Again I ask, 'I just don't get where the visceral hatred comes from?'

I don't even know who Valance is but now just think she's a vapid cunt.

Might need to stop looking at this thread, makes me too fucking angry.

Stuz, like you, I was fully in support of the 2017 manifesto and how it was planned to be funded. But Corbyn lost my potential support in his handling of the antisemitism acts of members of the Labour Party. His unwillingness to outrightly condemn it was the start. Then he was found to have interfered with investigations to protect antisemites in the party. Whether he said or did anything to offend the Jewish community, by condoning it, he was as bad. Karl posted quite a lot of examples at the time, and it disgusted me that the Labour Party could be like that, it was supposed to be the party that welcomes and looks out for the oppressed.