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Post by Dougs on Jan 19, 2024 14:17:47 GMT
It's so obvious that should be Labour's policy, alongside investing in people to process claims more quickly. But even they can't get that right.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 19, 2024 14:34:10 GMT
I have seen them pretty much say as much to be fair and that the solution to the problem is to deal with them before they even get here but some chinless drone will then start shouting 'YOU DONT EVEN WANT TO STOP THE BOATS' at them
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Post by Lukus on Jan 19, 2024 14:42:44 GMT
Where do we send Rwandan asylum seekers?
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Post by Duffking on Jan 19, 2024 14:46:04 GMT
The new YouGov poll is even worse for the Tories than the headline figures. I've been fascinated by the Tory obsession with the Rwanda policy as if it's some kind of key cornerstone for them that will save the party. Have they really convinced themselves that some red meat for fringe whackjobs is going to magically make normal people forget about the pillaging they've been doing the last decade or so?
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Post by cubby on Jan 19, 2024 14:50:58 GMT
It's always the death spiral of a party, constantly trying to keep the core voters happy, but utterly bereft of anyone competent any more to come up with any good ideas.
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 19, 2024 14:55:30 GMT
Kigali cancelling it would be the end of Sunak, he's staked so much on a terrible policy he knows is terrible because he's a coward and an awful politician.
It would be fucking funny though.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 19, 2024 14:58:56 GMT
It’s a pretty stupid move for him to have ever supported something Boris and co came up with. It’s not like that buffoon has a history of good ideas.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 19, 2024 15:04:50 GMT
It was supposed to be a quick and dirty PR win that cost them a few million. You can even see it by the minuscule amount of people they intended to be sent there. Just something they could write on a pamphlet. I don't think it was ever even intended to operate.
The actual baffling thing is they have had literally dozens of opportunities to back down on it and maybe save some face but have fuckheadedly stuck with it at the expense of massive amounts of credibility. They could easily have gone 'well, we tried. If it wasn't for these enemies of the people, our streets would be free of crime' after any of the court defeats and pivoted to trying to make themselves the victims.
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 19, 2024 15:35:22 GMT
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Post by stuz359 on Jan 19, 2024 17:00:56 GMT
I remember an interview with Jenrick.
Same interview he was asked about £8m a week to house Asylum Seekers. He was then asked about clearing the backlog, which he said we couldn't do because that would 'encourage' more to come. The interviewer (think it was Sophie Ridge) didn't link the two at all.
So basically what he said was that £8m a week was the price of a 'deterrent' to Asylum Seekers.
I think it's weird that the UK public generally don't understand the Asylum system in the UK, so expecting Asylum seekers to know the ins and outs of our system doesn't seem that likely.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 19, 2024 17:45:15 GMT
Are you sure they don't know about the Asylum system because there's so many people who keep saying "why don't refugees come the legal way?", "why don't they stay at the first safe country?". These people are obviously very well informed about the intricacies of the Asylum system, it seems a few of them work for the Home Office too consistently making great, nuanced decisions.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 19, 2024 17:46:31 GMT
I have seen them pretty much say as much to be fair and that the solution to the problem is to deal with them before they even get here but some chinless drone will then start shouting 'YOU DONT EVEN WANT TO STOP THE BOATS' at them That's where it started but not sure that's where it ended up. It might still be the policy detail but seems to have morphed into this criminal gang nonsense
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Post by X201 on Jan 19, 2024 17:50:14 GMT
Surely the best advert to stop the boats is showing them how much of the country has been totally fucked up by The Tories.
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Post by geefe on Jan 19, 2024 17:51:06 GMT
Come to Britain. We fucking dare you.
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 19, 2024 17:55:26 GMT
Surely the best advert to stop the boats is showing them how much of the country has been totally fucked up by The Tories. Just put up posters of Hartlepool, Doncaster, Skegness, Clacton, Hull, Stoke etc. and they will soon stop coming over...
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Post by X201 on Jan 19, 2024 17:56:42 GMT
Bring your own books, we’ve shut all the libraries
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Post by cubby on Jan 19, 2024 17:59:15 GMT
Don't get ill because you won't get a doctors appointment
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Post by apollo on Jan 20, 2024 8:18:23 GMT
The UK forces are in shambles due to tories, recruitment numbers are way down to outsourcing to some crappy company called Capita aka Crapita. No doubt some shitbag tory is getting some money for this outsourcing contracts. With the rise of problems like Putin and Houthi terrorist attacks in the read sea, really bad time for tory version of dad's army
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Post by gibroon on Jan 20, 2024 9:15:08 GMT
The UK forces are in shambles due to tories, recruitment numbers are way down to outsourcing to some crappy company called Capita aka Crapita. No doubt some shitbag tory is getting some money for this outsourcing contracts. With the rise of problems like Putin and Houthi terrorist attacks in the read sea, really bad time for tory version of dad's army This is probably true but the forces love to vote Tory, they fund them better than any other party, or so they say. No doubt it will be Labours fault for the mess they are in. Thick as pigshit with a gun.
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Post by Rich on Jan 20, 2024 9:27:23 GMT
Yeah, real shame they're not all pleasant, open minded, enlightened, non-judgemental individuals like yourself.
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Post by geefe on Jan 20, 2024 9:49:23 GMT
Yeah, having met plenty of forces and police, to assume they all vote Tory is a broad assumption at best and downright ignorant at others.
There is a world of difference between little Johnny joining the army because he's got no GCSEs and those who went to A Levels, then possibly uni and so forth.
I've known pilots with history degrees who studied it for the virtue of having an understanding.
Same goes for cops - plenty would be quite happy with a change in government.
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Post by dasbooter on Jan 20, 2024 10:07:56 GMT
I went to a British Forces school in the 90s (majority of pupils were kids of soldiers/RAF) and we had a school 'election' once, must've been around 1995/6ish. We didn't have candidates as such, just voted for party. It was a Tory landslide.
I remember finding it very depressing.
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Post by apollo on Jan 20, 2024 10:12:00 GMT
The tories have been making massive cuts to the army and navy (and every other service), so its not true "fund them better than any other party"
Very much agree with geefe but the only place I've seen "hur hur armed forces are dumb" is the horrible ultra tankie greenandpleasant place on reddit (who hate NATO and love putin)
Sadly the world needs a strong NATO force what with Iran and Russia being utter cunts
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Post by sport✅ on Jan 20, 2024 10:21:50 GMT
Pretty much every submarine commander I've met has voted Tory.
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Post by apollo on Jan 20, 2024 10:29:49 GMT
Pretty much every submarine commander I've met has voted Tory. Could make a seamen joke...
I do think the same people will not be voting tory this time as the party has changed so much. The lunatics are more in control, they say things that wouldn't of said back in early 2010 or before (same with republicans in the USA) There was always that elements of cunts but the mask has fallen off and its pure bile (the trump effect)
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Post by Dougs on Jan 20, 2024 10:45:01 GMT
It's interesting to see my ex-RAF father-in-law become quite the pinko lefty since leaving the services. Still serving brother-in-law still a raging fascist though
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Post by gibroon on Jan 20, 2024 10:48:53 GMT
Yeah, real shame they're not all pleasant, open minded, enlightened, non-judgemental individuals like yourself. It was probably a sweeping statement with a hangover but in my 50 years on this earth, speaking to ex-military, to a man they denounce any party that is not of a right wing persuasion and incredibly vocal about it.
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Post by Frog on Jan 20, 2024 11:00:46 GMT
Got a friend who is of a reasonable rank in the navy and he is a massive leftie. He does feel in the minority though.
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Post by Rich on Jan 20, 2024 12:27:35 GMT
Yeah, real shame they're not all pleasant, open minded, enlightened, non-judgemental individuals like yourself. It was probably a sweeping statement with a hangover but in my 50 years on this earth, speaking to ex-military, to a man they denounce any party that is not of a right wing persuasion and incredibly vocal about it. Sorry, I've just worked with a lot of ex forces and have generally found them to have as mixed views as any other part of society. And I certainly wouldn't have described any of them as 'thick as pig shit with a gun'.
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Post by askew on Jan 21, 2024 9:15:05 GMT
"HS2 back on track" screams the Express. "Bill to be footed by private industry". Cool, cool. A rail version of the M6 Toll then.
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