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Post by Dougs on Jan 12, 2024 6:22:36 GMT
As with lots of these types, she makes some good points at times but is a bit insufferable with it. And just constant. Gotta make a living though I guess.
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Post by mikeck on Jan 12, 2024 7:30:34 GMT
That's the thing about cars. They are the most expensive thing you own that you rarely use. Other than commuting, taking kids to school, going for a weekly shop, 90% of the time it just sits there doing nothing. Obviously if you are a travelling salesperson or such like it is different but for the majority, it is a rarely used, expensive paperweight. Having being born in Devon and living down here for 20 years before moving to London for the next 20 years, and then relocating back a few years ago I can say this; you can't do anything without a car in most of Devon. Big city public transport elsewhere in the country is largely fantastic, and in London especially there are so many viable options, but in most areas down here, most buses are late or never arrive (one an hour if lucky), taxis are incredibly expensive and travelling by bicycle is not safe unless in one of the few big cities or towns and you're not trying to commute to another town. I'd love to use my car less, but that requires moving again, which goes against my reasons for relocation (being near family and running from the rat race). Edit: forgot about trains, we have trains, they're not actually too bad. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 12, 2024 7:46:28 GMT
If something like car-sharing / self-driving-ubers become ubiquitous enough then they'd be able to work in concert with trains and fill in the ends (in the way a taxi might, but theoretically cheaper).
You have to overcome the fact that going somewhere by car *feels* free, since you already own it and aren't really thinking about it in terms of per-month or per-journey costs. But maybe a monthly subscription would overcome that.
Even in Minority Report the self-driving turned off once they got onto the country lanes, because I'm not sure how it'd deal with the fun of Devon lanes and things like suicidal pheasants diving in front of you.
But yeah, when I lived in Devon you needed a car for *everything* and used it a few times a day. People living here seem to use them once a week, if that.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 12, 2024 10:58:32 GMT
mikeck yeah, rural public transport is crap. I'm lucky here that I moved close to a main bus route. I can get to the main 2 towns quite easily, buses every 15 mins etc. That was a deliberate choice though - if I wanted more rurality, then no chance. And using the bus only makes sense if travelling solo - even the extortionate parking charges are cheaper than taking the family on the bus.
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Post by geefe on Jan 12, 2024 11:09:27 GMT
Public transport is totally designed for solo travellers or, at most, couples.
I know people that get taxis into Manchester that take 40+ minutes. Must cost a fortune.
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Post by simple on Jan 12, 2024 12:00:55 GMT
When I lived in Newcastle: buses every 15 minutes plus the option of the Metro every 10.
Now I live in a village and need to commute in: one bus an hour and the journey takes 45-60 minutes. The bus is frequently anywhere between 10-20min off timetable.
We only have one car and my wife needs it for her work more. If I drove to town it would be 15-30min depending on traffic.
When I had a weekend job a few years ago I had to drop the Sunday shift because the first bus wasn’t due until after I was due in at work (9 start, 930 bus).
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 12, 2024 13:21:22 GMT
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Post by geefe on Jan 12, 2024 13:26:20 GMT
As depressing as it is, Jambo, does make me think it'd be fairly easy to run as a Tory, collect £80k+ for 5 years, claim on expenses and then fuck off into the sunset.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 12, 2024 13:36:56 GMT
I'm considering it.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 12, 2024 13:38:23 GMT
It would be easy but despite my misanthropy and seething bitterness I couldn't bring myself to be that much of an arsehole.
Damn stupid empathy. It just holds me back FFS
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Post by geefe on Jan 12, 2024 13:50:40 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 12, 2024 13:55:30 GMT
Honestly, I think it isn't really about the chrisma of people like Johnson and Farage. Tice isn't particularly chrismatic and is winning these people. It is all just about Brexit and the fact it and those that supported it gave a large group of people carte blanche to express racism. The people in that group don't know anything about Reform; they don't even know who Tice is. They talk about corporate greed and the big bucks energy companies make whilst the average person struggles to pay the bills being their biggest concern, yet they are saying they will back a party who hasn't really said anything about that and the only change they would propose making would be to give even more power to corporations. The only thing that this group knows about Reform is that they will be tough on the foreigns and that is enough. |
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Post by askew on Jan 12, 2024 13:56:07 GMT
Was just reading something similar. Looks like Reform are taking more from Labour, which is probably not a good thing. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 12, 2024 14:00:10 GMT
Honestly, I think it isn't really about the chrisma of people like Johnson and Farage. Tice isn't particularly chrismatic and is winning these people. It is all just about Brexit and the fact it and those that supported it gave a large group of people carte blanche to express racism. The people in that group don't know anything about Reform; they don't even know who Tice is. They talk about corporate greed and the big bucks energy companies make whilst the average person struggles to pay the bills being their biggest concern, yet they are saying they will back a party who hasn't really said anything about that and the only change they would propose making would be to give even more power to corporations. The only thing that this group knows about Reform is that they will be tough on the foreigns and that is enough. I was referring to the people interviewed who were reported to be quite glowing about Johnson and forgiving, referring to him as being "naughty". That language speaks volumes. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 12, 2024 14:03:56 GMT
It's very odd. I think a lot of it is just down to misinformation from places like the Express and the Sun. The stuff about Starmer defending Jimmy Saville etc..
But it's just full of so many weird logic jumps.
I voted for the Tories and now Britain is broken so I'm going to vote for the even-more-tories.
Starmer is just a Red Tory so I'm not going to vote for him - I'm going to vote for Reform.
Britain is broken and yeah, Boris lied about the 350M and brexit, but I wish we had him back.
A millionaire like Sunak can't understand us, so we want millionaires like Boris and Farage*.
*may no longer be in the millionaires club according to his bank. Poor nige.
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Post by askew on Jan 12, 2024 14:13:57 GMT
Also the Post Office stuff is all Captain Hindsight’s fault.
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 12, 2024 14:33:53 GMT
Honestly, I think it isn't really about the chrisma of people like Johnson and Farage. Tice isn't particularly chrismatic and is winning these people. It is all just about Brexit and the fact it and those that supported it gave a large group of people carte blanche to express racism. The people in that group don't know anything about Reform; they don't even know who Tice is. They talk about corporate greed and the big bucks energy companies make whilst the average person struggles to pay the bills being their biggest concern, yet they are saying they will back a party who hasn't really said anything about that and the only change they would propose making would be to give even more power to corporations. The only thing that this group knows about Reform is that they will be tough on the foreigns and that is enough. I was referring to the people interviewed who were reported to be quite glowing about Johnson and forgiving, referring to him as being "naughty". That language speaks volumes. Totally. The refrain that Johnson was like teflon rings true, just as with Trump talking about being able to get away with shooting someone on fifth avenue. As I say though, I think the way people ignore transgressions of people like Johnson is more about what they gave them then anything inherent about their personality (although there is certainly something in that too - Johnson has failed upwards throughout most of his life). If he hadn't managed to "deliver" Brexit then I don't think any of them would still be singing his praises. |
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Post by DJCopa on Jan 12, 2024 14:37:46 GMT
It's very odd. I think a lot of it is just down to misinformation from places like the Express and the Sun. The stuff about Starmer defending Jimmy Saville etc.. But it's just full of so many weird logic jumps. I voted for the Tories and now Britain is broken so I'm going to vote for the even-more-tories. Starmer is just a Red Tory so I'm not going to vote for him - I'm going to vote for Reform. Britain is broken and yeah, Boris lied about the 350M and brexit, but I wish we had him back. A millionaire like Sunak can't understand us, so we want millionaires like Boris and Farage*. *may no longer be in the millionaires club according to his bank. Poor nige. I think this is what happens when you support a political party like a football team. |
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Post by gibroon on Jan 12, 2024 14:39:45 GMT
I found it funny when the SNP Stephen Flynn had a go at the Cons, Labour and Libs for the post office scandal, then Sunak said the SNP are just point scoring when it had happened over many years, decades, leaders.
30p Lee, "It was Ed Davey's fault, he should resign"
I also noticed a convenient bombing in the middle east to steer us away from the injustices that are happening in this country.
Definitely feels like the press are getting told to simmer down on the postal scandal. Just one day after Sunak's "We will make it all better again" pledge to wronged post-masters. The smell of shit in the Westminster keeps on going.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2024 14:47:27 GMT
My Brexit voting in laws said they’ll never vote for Starmer, apparently he loves Europe too much and is too boring.
They want Boris back.
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 12, 2024 14:50:01 GMT
Was just reading something similar. Looks like Reform are taking more from Labour, which is probably not a good thing. I think they are just taking the racist red wall labour voters that swapped to Tory in 2019. So probably a net positive for Labour. |
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Post by robthehermit on Jan 12, 2024 15:00:30 GMT
mikeck yeah, rural public transport is crap. I'm lucky here that I moved close to a main bus route. I can get to the main 2 towns quite easily, buses every 15 mins etc. That was a deliberate choice though - if I wanted more rurality, then no chance. And using the bus only makes sense if travelling solo - even the extortionate parking charges are cheaper than taking the family on the bus. It's really shit where I am in Cornwall. We only have one bus and it only goes to Torpoint and then Plymouth and takes about 90 minutes. If you want to go anywhere else you have to get the bus to Plymouth then another bus back out again or just fuck it all off and have a nice half hour drive through the cornish countryside. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 12, 2024 15:07:29 GMT
George Osborne is going around saying election on Nov 14th, according to the shitheads he still knows in No. 10.
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Post by gibroon on Jan 12, 2024 15:08:34 GMT
mikeck yeah, rural public transport is crap. I'm lucky here that I moved close to a main bus route. I can get to the main 2 towns quite easily, buses every 15 mins etc. That was a deliberate choice though - if I wanted more rurality, then no chance. And using the bus only makes sense if travelling solo - even the extortionate parking charges are cheaper than taking the family on the bus. It's really shit where I am in Cornwall. We only have one bus and it only goes to Torpoint and then Plymouth and takes about 90 minutes. If you want to go anywhere else you have to get the bus to Plymouth then another bus back out again or just fuck it all off and have a nice half hour drive through the cornish countryside. I was down in Cornwall a few years ago and the roads down there are slow. Took me 50 minutes to drive 20 miles through the countryside and I thought NE Scotland was bad. |
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Post by geefe on Jan 12, 2024 15:13:00 GMT
George Osborne is going around saying election on Nov 14th, according to the shitheads he still knows in No. 10. Oh ffs that's long that |
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Post by dfunked on Jan 12, 2024 15:14:45 GMT
10 more month's worth of rope for the cunts to spool out of hang themselves with.
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 12, 2024 15:23:05 GMT
Think a few insiders around the time Sunak said second half of the year were mentioning a week after the US election, so that lines up.
As I mentioned when this came up a few pages ago, I'm still going with Sunak announcing a date for the GE in his conference speech (or maybe at the start of the conference).
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 12, 2024 15:29:56 GMT
It's really shit where I am in Cornwall. We only have one bus and it only goes to Torpoint and then Plymouth and takes about 90 minutes. If you want to go anywhere else you have to get the bus to Plymouth then another bus back out again or just fuck it all off and have a nice half hour drive through the cornish countryside. I was down in Cornwall a few years ago and the roads down there are slow. Took me 50 minutes to drive 20 miles through the countryside and I thought NE Scotland was bad. Those are Cornish miles.
Seeing a sign saying '5 miles', continuing for a couple of miles and then seeing a sign saying '6 miles' used to happen to me quite often.  |
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Post by Dougs on Jan 12, 2024 15:42:44 GMT
George Osborne is going around saying election on Nov 14th, according to the shitheads he still knows in No. 10. That was the date already put out there I think. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 12, 2024 15:43:54 GMT
It all feels so horribly cynical. So very much on brand. It's a shame he left in a huff, but I would LOVE to get Rogueywon's perspective on all of this.
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