technoish
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Post by technoish on Jan 10, 2024 17:27:24 GMT
Maintenance, depreciation, tyre wear, oil changes, etc. I just found it didn't add up (/was too much).
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Post by Danno on Jan 10, 2024 23:36:20 GMT
It's terrific, but then again I am the ultimate centrist dad Careful, the last person to publicly proclaim that was Nick Cohen
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Post by zephro on Jan 11, 2024 0:12:51 GMT
Yeah I live in Islington (not Angel), so I've got pretty much everything I need within walking distance or a bus journey. I think the on-street parking alone would end up like £250 (there's some fancy sliding scale based on CO2/particulate emission), insurance for random on-street parked car and the ULEZ zone even before expansion. It'd be ruinous.
Yet there's still plenty of cars around all the time, with 1 person in it or 1 person + 1 child going to school. I guess someone must live in the million pound houses.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 11, 2024 9:34:21 GMT
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Post by tincanrocket on Jan 11, 2024 9:36:46 GMT
On cars - I considered this option a while back: www.co-wheels.org.uk - might opt for that when my current car gets beyond being worth running. Was recommended to me by a colleague and seems to be a pretty decent setup, certainly around where I am
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Post by technoish on Jan 11, 2024 9:42:44 GMT
Thing I find that doesn't work for car shares is the cost tends to end up very high for longer hires. I tried some in the US, and even for stuff like going to IKEA it was usually cheaper to get an Uber there and back for a day trip.
Eg. I hired a car over the probably more expensive and busy new year period for 5 days, was £270 (I anted a specific Volvo, as I knew our kids car seats worked with it). In the end I got a friggin monster Audi q7. But anyway - that website says from £5.50 per hour. That would make it £660 for one of those!!!! And probably for a small golf.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 11, 2024 9:47:54 GMT
There are car sharing places absolutely everywhere in Tokyo. I think there are about 5 I could walk to in under 5 minutes. I'd check them out if I had a local license.
They seem pretty cheap per hour, but I've also wondered about getting them for longer trips. I think if it was going to be used for more than a day it'd probably be better value to just rent a car in the regular fashion.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 11, 2024 9:48:43 GMT
Last time I was in the US it was indeed cheaper to get an Uber/Lyft everywhere than hire a car, especially since the hotel wanted a parking fee every night.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 11, 2024 9:51:10 GMT
Cabs are expensive here, but given how much a car costs per month (not to mention insane parking fees) I'd probably be able to use one pretty often before it'd stop being cost effective. I mean the end game for companies like Uber is that there's basically no private car ownership and everyone just steps out of their house and jumps into a self-driving car to go everywhere.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Jan 11, 2024 10:13:31 GMT
"The program you CLAIM to love." Pure fucking projection talking to a man who's been championing this cause for more than a decade.
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Post by geefe on Jan 11, 2024 10:16:06 GMT
The other problem is with not having a car is we're far too spread out as a species.
If I have to go work at a particular site, despite being mostly WFH, I'd have to take two trains and a bus to get there.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 11, 2024 10:20:24 GMT
"The program you CLAIM to love." Pure fucking projection talking to a man who's been championing this cause for more than a decade. That's the funniest part. They are so used to everything being pure political points scoring against other MPs, I'm sure that just slipped out by accident. Its such a fatuous, meaningless comment, the kind they just throw out reflexively and this time he threw it at someone who has no vested interest in being polite and telling him he is talking shit.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 11, 2024 10:23:23 GMT
The other problem is with not having a car is we're far too spread out as a species. If I have to go work at a particular site, despite being mostly WFH, I'd have to take two trains and a bus to get there. That's when the self-driving-uber-pod would come in handy.
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Post by loto on Jan 11, 2024 11:39:44 GMT
This Post Office inquiry is dynamite. Their investigator, Steven Bradshaw admits he didn’t write his statement, isn’t technically minded, saying that there were truths in his statement but that it isn’t true as it’s written.
Dear me
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Post by gibroon on Jan 11, 2024 11:52:24 GMT
It's incredible that the post office investigator didn't actually investigate, just got told by lawyers everything is fine and signed it all off. Where the fuck are the police in all this? Do they actually investigate anything anymore? Not one police force thought about doing an investigation, even going undercover, getting a job if Fujitsu etc. It is mind-bogglingly bad from everyone concerned.
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Post by The12thMonkey on Jan 11, 2024 12:02:14 GMT
This sort of investigation would almost always be handled internally to begin with, typically by the company's loss prevention (or similar) department. At places I've been before, the data for the investigation would have had to be compelling. I used to mine data for a big retailer, and what staggers me the most is that this obviously did raise alarm bells inside the Post Office, but those voices were sat on. Luckily my bosses were all pretty decent there, and I'm confident that if something on this scale had been found, it would have led to a proper systems audit rather than a cover up. At least, I'd like to think so!
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Post by X201 on Jan 11, 2024 12:46:29 GMT
Post office investigator's statement in summary:
a) I was only obeying orders. b) Can't remember c) It was the lawyers, mate
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 11, 2024 12:56:02 GMT
Their extensive apology got lost in the post.
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Post by technoish on Jan 11, 2024 14:01:57 GMT
This is the kind of thing where in the US a dozen plus people from post office etc would be getting 10 year jail sentences.
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Post by technoish on Jan 11, 2024 14:05:37 GMT
Business department officials do also have culpability, as owners.
Where I have worked on areas covered in Private Eye, I have made sure I was satisfied appropriate and sufficient action was being taken. It is not rocket science.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 11, 2024 14:31:41 GMT
That Hislop clip is dynamite too. He's positively frothing at the mouth in anger. Should definitely be more of this sort of challenge to MPs.
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Post by askew on Jan 11, 2024 15:15:52 GMT
On cars - I considered this option a while back: www.co-wheels.org.uk - might opt for that when my current car gets beyond being worth running. Was recommended to me by a colleague and seems to be a pretty decent setup, certainly around where I am I’m a member. They left my area without any notice! Just cancelled my pre-booked trips and fucked off 😂 Might be useful if I’m in another city they operate in.
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Post by askew on Jan 11, 2024 15:17:21 GMT
This Post Office inquiry is dynamite. Their investigator, Steven Bradshaw admits he didn’t write his statement, isn’t technically minded, saying that there were truths in his statement but that it isn’t true as it’s written. Dear me I hope he’s got some decent indemnity insurance.
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Post by loto on Jan 11, 2024 20:11:39 GMT
It's incredible that the post office investigator didn't actually investigate, just got told by lawyers everything is fine and signed it all off. Where the fuck are the police in all this? Do they actually investigate anything anymore? Not one police force thought about doing an investigation, even going undercover, getting a job if Fujitsu etc. It is mind-bogglingly bad from everyone concerned. My understanding is that the Post Office have their own investigators, their own legal team and they’re fully empowered to prosecute their own cases. The police had no mandate to take any action. I believe it’s one of the issues with the whole sorry business; that RM had way too much power and were allowed in law to act as they saw fit.
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Post by Danno on Jan 11, 2024 22:54:07 GMT
Nah bollocks. All hail Marina, she's basically supertanksii that you can print. ftfy Who is this
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Post by minimatt on Jan 11, 2024 23:07:30 GMT
wasn't she that weird FBPE on steroids with slight grifter energy woman?
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Post by Danno on Jan 11, 2024 23:11:05 GMT
wasn't she that weird FBPE on steroids with slight grifter energy woman? I did the Geefe thing and found the twitter account via Google. Fuck me she's tedious. But does look a bit like Marina Hyde, I suppose.
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Post by Danno on Jan 11, 2024 23:16:05 GMT
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 11, 2024 23:42:08 GMT
wasn't she that weird FBPE on steroids with slight grifter energy woman? I did the Geefe thing and found the twitter account via Google. Fuck me she's tedious. But does look a bit like Marina Hyde, I suppose. This is funny though
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Post by Danno on Jan 11, 2024 23:45:01 GMT
Pork lads got a chuckle.
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