General PS5 Stuff

Ah didn't even think of the app, cheers. Both just aren't loading whereas everything internet based works. Leave it long enough I can at least use the search for store. Was curious if it was just a "me" issue.

I found the combat really enjoyable once mastered

Was very slick and tactical

I loved those bandit camps, they were always incredibly fun

I loved all of it though, in some games you groan when there’s yet another enemy encounter but in HZD, I was continually looking for more things to kill

It's more of a remaster than a remake. £10 to upgrade.

It's absolutely not for me as it's too soon for a replay but I'm surprised at how much of an upgrade it has had graphically, it looks amazing.

Just watched the DF one. They missed a nerdy trick by not complaining about the tearing. Richard just going to town on the box properly cracked me up.

Looks quite nice without the disc drive... I'm in two minds about adding one to mine now purely from an aesthetics standpoint.

Rich obviously knows he has to play to the algorithm but yeah i enjoyed his barely restrained contempt at having to play the game as it were.

Yeah, sounds like it might be used purely for OS/system stuff, so that's no longer cordoning off a section of main memory. Nice little change

I don't like that they chicken out on answering the question of whether it is worth the asking price. They know the hardware it contains and the rough equivalents, which have known RRPs. They can see the performance gains and although image quality can be somewhat an objective opinion as to how worthwhile improvements might be they can still quantify much of it.

There is no doubt that Sony are setting a new precedent with their pricing, but if it is good value for the level of tech that it is outputting then they should say so. Otherwise, they should be calling out Sony for over-inflating the price tag.

PS5 Pro may be targeted at enthusiasts at the moment, but it surely is paving the PS6's way for the masses, especially if MS/Xbox don't get their shit together.

If they released it for £6k I would still be able to decide if it was worth my money, but I would expect reviews to say it is piss poor value for money. I'm sure if it came out at £400 they would be openly saying in their review that it was fantastic value for money.

I'm assuming that they don't think it is good value for money, but don't want to outright say it, as you can read between the lines of those opening paragraphs. As you say, they mention the sparse box that doesn't scream premium.

The product itself does sound great though.

They have an hour-plus YT review on it if you want the full breakdown. Rich continues to state the obvious about premium electronics - the PS5 is good, the Pro is better but you have to pay for it - John says that it's the console he'd want as he plays a lot of console games, and Oli thinks it's good hardware and if you can pony up the cost you'll likely have compelling experiences over the next few years.

Realistically though, it's not good good value if you have a PS5 already, that's doing 70% of what the Pro is doing, and only a small amount of the new stuff is stuff you'll regularly notice (and some folk literally won't be able to tell any difference). But the nature of premium electronics isn't about being the good value, it's about being good enough value for the interested individual or power user. It's the same across smartphones, graphics cards, every product range by Apple...

I want one. I'll get one. It's not good value when I already have a PS5 but I'll get enough use out of it over the next 4-5 years to justify the outlay (primary platform, a large backlog, new stuff coming, I play exclusively in performance so will some a benefit in most titles, large tv at a relatively close viewing distance). YMMV.

Thought the DF review was fine. They'd have definitely been more emphatic with a recommendation if it was half the price obviously, but at £700-800 that's for the user to decide.

There was a great quote in one of the Eurogamer pieces a while back discussing the price, basically something to the effect of the PS5 being "priced to extract as much money as possible from the people who were always going to buy it anyway", which is pretty much high end consumer electronics in a nutshell.

Absolutely no disrespect to anyone buying one either, I'd join you if it was my main machine.

I think this would have been an easier sell, if we didn't have so much cross generation support. They should have bookended the PS4 and gone this is now exclusive to PS5. Then you can move onto PS5 Pro enhanced games. I've always been sold on exclusive games when I buy a console. This generation has been pretty crap for that.