Aunty Treats
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Post by Aunty Treats on Sept 14, 2024 12:21:30 GMT
That Peach thing
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 14, 2024 14:38:07 GMT
That isn’t just a rerelease or remaster of an older game or a Wii u game, dunno, Zelda and Luigi’s mansion in the last 3 years? Good old Clem.
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Post by Kay on Sept 14, 2024 15:12:36 GMT
I know it's bait, but I'm pretty sure the Switch has more new entries in most of their franchises than any other console. Even a new F-Zero, kind of.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2024 15:53:26 GMT
I know it's bait, but I'm pretty sure the Switch has more new entries in most of their franchises than any other console. Even a new F-Zero, kind of. About the only one I can think of where that isn't the case is Fire Emblem (it has Three Houses and Engage, 3DS had Awakening, Fates and Shadows of Valentia, which is so different from the original it might as well be a new game)... And even then the Switch had two FE Warriors as well, before counting any other remakes/ports
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Post by Aunty Treats on Sept 14, 2024 16:50:27 GMT
Fates was terrible so we can discount it and Three Houses pretty much has three different campaigns
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Post by dangerousdave on Sept 14, 2024 17:15:18 GMT
I like how we’re talking about Mario in the Astrobot thread and Nintendo in the general PS5 thread.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2024 17:19:34 GMT
I like how we’re talking about Mario in the Astrobot thread and Nintendo in the general PS5 thread. The PS5 Pro announcement effect
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 14, 2024 18:36:30 GMT
When the Switch 2 price tag gets announced I imagine the Pro will pop up in that thread too. Although given it's likely to be a lot less powerful than the PS5 Amateur it could be more interesting.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Sept 14, 2024 18:57:33 GMT
Expect we'll see a lot of pared down versions of things like the RE remakes on the Switch 2, which will be super exciting
Shame they've already done the Dooms and Borderlands as they look pretty crap on the Switch. They may be 'impossible' but they're still crap
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 16, 2024 17:15:41 GMT
Watching the latest DF Direct and they received actually proper broadcast footage of the Ps5 Pro presentation and it's quite revealing and for me nails the aspect of it not being attractive to me. For example the footage for Ratchet and Clank pro version highlights that it's the same settings as the ps5 performance RT mode but at a higher resolution at like 1800p. I will say it looks way way better than FSR. Don't know if that's all worth 800 quid though.
Horizon looks really nice though but the ps5 version looks fantastic even in performance mode. Also doesn't appear to be using PSSR.
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Post by deez on Sept 16, 2024 18:10:47 GMT
Watching the latest DF Direct and they received actually proper broadcast footage of the Ps5 Pro presentation and it's quite revealing and for me nails the aspect of it not being attractive to me. For example the footage for Ratchet and Clank pro version highlights that it's the same settings as the ps5 performance RT mode but at a higher resolution at like 1800p. I will say it looks way way better than FSR. Don't know if that's all worth 800 quid though. Horizon looks really nice though but the ps5 version looks fantastic even in performance mode. Also doesn't appear to be using PSSR. This is the next gens version of the remaster isn't it. Just upscale the same game forever and expect people to play them again. I really dislike one of those games so there's not much hope.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 16, 2024 18:53:03 GMT
Maybe not that, I think it's predominantly going to be games looking a bit extra sharper when running 60 and maybe an extra ray tracing setting for quality modes predominantly ray traced shadows. It very much is "YMMV The Console".
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Post by Zyrr on Sept 17, 2024 8:45:33 GMT
Sod all the fancy ray tracing guff, if they can get it to run Bloodborne at 60 without any weird frame pacing I'd actually be tempted to buy the stupid thing.
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Post by rockavitch on Sept 17, 2024 8:55:42 GMT
With the amount of times I've heard or read the term "ray tracing" you'd think I'd have looked it up but I've still no idea what it is and in games I've played after an update to include them I still don't know.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 17, 2024 8:57:51 GMT
It’s this generations complete nonsense.
I’ve given up trying to pretend I can see a difference.
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Post by Frog on Sept 17, 2024 9:12:30 GMT
Look at some of the cyberpunk videos on pc, consoles just aren't powerful enough to bother trying to do it. It looks amazing when something can run it properly but almost nothing can.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 17, 2024 9:13:49 GMT
I can see the difference between modes but, similar to high end audio, its actually remarkable how quickly you get used to something, so if its moving at 60fps I forget the missing bells and whistles in seconds.
And, similar to high end audio, I suppose its a component in a system and I would probably want to at least upgrade my TV if I got one because its an early-ish OLED sans a lot of more recent Technology and blah blah blah... so it wouldn't be 800 quid, it would be closer to 2k.
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Post by zisssou on Sept 17, 2024 9:35:07 GMT
We got our first OLED tv last year. It was a better upgrade than anything I've done in years. Even with 30fps it looks great.
Anyway it's our society. We want the best phone. The best car. The best house. Chase them dreams lads. I'll be happy with what I got.
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Post by rftp on Sept 17, 2024 9:43:44 GMT
I only bought a 4k TV a couple of months ago, because my 12 year old one was starting to flicker. This LG is going to see me to retirement. My eyesight and reactions aren't good enough any more for half the bells and whistles anyway.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 17, 2024 9:47:39 GMT
Its really a niche enthusiasts product without it being marketed to enthusiasts which is probably why it seems so weird. Which is fine, they exist everywhere but they should have just plated it in gold or something.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 17, 2024 10:10:12 GMT
With the amount of times I've heard or read the term "ray tracing" you'd think I'd have looked it up but I've still no idea what it is and in games I've played after an update to include them I still don't know. It's pretty simple really. It attempts to simulate the way light rays work in real life, by sending out rays from light sources. Games actually cast rays all the time, such as when firing a gun it might cast a ray from the gun to find the impact point (or to be exact normally from the centre of the camera rather than the actual gun) or might use a ray to know where a cursor is pointing. The difference for when you are using it for light is the quantity of rays that needs to be cast. That increases even more if you want to calculate how those rays are going to bounce off other objects or to handle reflections. I don't know the technical differences, but there is also path tracing, which I understand is the same idea, but a much more accurate (and more complex) calculation to work all this out. The end result of all this is a more accurate recreation of how light works. But, developers have had a lot of experience in faking this for a long time and the technics a pretty good. They aren't perfect and the seems can be seen if you know what to look for (for example, fake reflections, such as screen space reflections, can't be unseen when you see them), but they are good for most people and the simple implementations of ray tracing will mostly only be as good as what they are already doing for much less computing time. With it all maxed out it can look fantastic, such as in Cyberpunk 2077 and Alan Wake 2 (both using the more advanced path tracing). A Pro might be able to do that with all the AI upscaling enabled, but it would probably need frame generation as well as AI upscaling for it to be playable.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 17, 2024 10:14:23 GMT
It would need ray reconstruction too to get rid of the noisiness that ray tracing can cause. Like when you can see walls boiling so to speak. I don't believe the Pro has any of that, nor does it have frame gen. I think that stuff is coming for PS6.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 17, 2024 10:22:43 GMT
Yeah. Here is an image of what it looks like before reconstruction is done. It isn't from a game, but you get the idea of what gaps need to be filled in.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 17, 2024 12:06:11 GMT
We got our first OLED tv last year. It was a better upgrade than anything I've done in years. Even with 30fps it looks great. Anyway it's our society. We want the best phone. The best car. The best house. Chase them dreams lads. I'll be happy with what I got. My sister's family are spending about a year in Australia so I jokingly suggested I look after their LG B9 55" while they were away rather than putting it in storage. Even for a mid-range model from 2019 this thing is fantastic, it's a ridiculously huge improvement over my old LED TV and it's going to be hard to give it back, I'll have to invest in my own OLED when I do.
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Post by rhaegyr on Sept 17, 2024 12:14:05 GMT
I switched from a 720p Panasonic Plasma to an LG C2 earlier this year (or late last year, can't remember) and it's the biggest shift in fidelity I've seen since the jump from Saturn/PS1 to Dreamcast/PS2.
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Post by richardiox on Sept 17, 2024 12:37:02 GMT
Yeah in many ways I have found my LG CX OlED a bigger gaming upgrade than say a "Pro" console with slight resolution bumps in a game, or better RTX effects. Especially in terms of VRR and HDR.
Still love having people round to our house who experience good HDR for the first time, it's a big difference maker.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 17, 2024 12:37:05 GMT
Very almost bought a 55" LG C3 during Amazon Prime. I currently have a 5-year old 49" Sony XF9005, which seemed to be pretty much the best non-OLED you could get, at the time. Waited until the second Prime Day, only to find they didn't have anymore at the discounted price. I did see John Lewis matched the price, but I had already decided not to bother.
Could be tempted again when Black Friday rolls around, but my TV is still pretty good. It isn't OLED good, but it does give a very natural picture. Improved HDR would be the main benefit, but I would need a decent 4k player to get the most from that (and the PS5 - Pro or not - isn't that player). VRR and 120hz would be nice, particularly as I am using my PC on the TV more since getting a 4090, but don't know if it would make that much of a difference.
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Post by zisssou on Sept 17, 2024 12:37:30 GMT
I love how now I can sit at any angle and it looks perfect.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 17, 2024 12:38:14 GMT
Its really a niche enthusiasts product without it being marketed to enthusiasts which is probably why it seems so weird. Which is fine, they exist everywhere but they should have just plated it in gold or something. Trump voters would've been all over it then, it would have been their only chance to truly own something that looked like it came straight out of Trump Tower's toilets
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 17, 2024 13:02:08 GMT
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