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Post by Vandelay on Sept 11, 2024 11:05:15 GMT
It's true that physical game boxes on PC (if you can get them) are just codes to plug into Steam.
But if the biggest issue with digital is that you fear the console manufacturer is going to switch off the store and you lose access then that is less of an issue. Steam isn't going anywhere for some time and, even if you did lose access, I would say you could justifiably acquire them with alternative methods, which you couldn't do on a console. If it is the ability to sell the games when you are done with them then you are already getting them cheaper, so less of an issue to begin.
If it is a case of game preservation then that ship has already sailed.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 11, 2024 11:21:56 GMT
For all my chest-beating, garment-rending histrionics, I'm not actually all that concerned - while I fully expect the PS6 to be a digital-only product, in the sense that there won't be a version with a built-in disc drive, I also expect that Sony will continue to sell a peripheral version for the foreseeable future.
It'll probably be closer to £100 than the £80 it is now, and scalping assholes may make it hard to get one for a while after the PS6 launches, but I don't think Sony would just drop support for external Blu-Ray drives on a whim.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 11:43:00 GMT
The DF team were quite lukewarm on it interestingly. I think they mirrored my opinion that yes the tech is fascinating but the presentation didn't sell it at all and there's still not enough info to see what you're getting and yeah the price is just too much. I also still don't understand why a disc drive costs 100 quid, a disc drive that Sony makes itself.
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Post by JonFE on Sept 11, 2024 11:54:44 GMT
I'd argue that we'd better get used to cross-gen games, because that's what we'll be getting next gen as well, no matter what claims to the contrary we'll hear. If the PS6 is as expensive as the PS5 Pro (and I honestly believe it will be, given the prices of powerful components), there's no way in hell developers will invest their livelihoods sorely on that, especially for AAA games. Do you remember Sony going strong with the "we believe in console generations" prior to the PS5 release, in contrast with Microsoft's admittance that true next gen games were coming years down the line (spoiler, they didn't). IIRC, only a couple of exclusive PS5 games were not released for the PS4 as well... |
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 11, 2024 11:56:25 GMT
This is too expensive for me and I do not want one (at least at this price). But I honestly predict sales wise it will do just fine
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Post by rawshark on Sept 11, 2024 11:58:49 GMT
I’m trying to imagine what I would be thinking if I hadn’t had a baby 19 months ago. I think I’d still find £700 without a disc drive too much to swallow. But throw nursery costs into the equation and it’s the hardest of nopes.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 11:59:03 GMT
Was Ragnarok the last cross gen game? Although tbf it was a ps4 game for all intents and purposes.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 12:00:39 GMT
This is too expensive for me and I do not want one (at least at this price). But I honestly predict sales wise it will do just fine It will sell out initially as it will be in a limited supply but I'd be intrigued to see how it goes 6 months in. Especially if there hasn't been a meaningful base ps5 cut. |
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Post by Frog on Sept 11, 2024 12:09:04 GMT
As someone that bought all the other pro versions of consoles so far, I am pretty much the target market and they have lost me. I very much doubt I'm the only one as well.
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 11, 2024 12:10:16 GMT
I've stopped predicted sales fiascos based on price after myself and everyone I know thought that the premium controllers were a ridiculous luxury that nobody would want, that then went on to be the best selling accessory several times over or something and as many people seem to have them as not.
It seems that failed products are rarely just "too expensive", as a lot of people seem to think. They also have to be a bit shit, and that remains to be seen.
Again, I'm not pre-justifying a purchase here. I'm plain not getting one at that price
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 12:12:48 GMT
As someone that bought all the other pro versions of consoles so far, I am pretty much the target market and they have lost me. I very much doubt I'm the only one as well. I didn't buy the PS4 Pro, I did get the One X as I was sick of how grainy Monster Hunter looked on my 4k tv. I bought it in Andorra at the time for around 550 euros and yeah I didn't really think twice until a day later when I looked at my bank account, but this reveal made me a firm no unless it was 600 quid with a disc drive. |
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 11, 2024 12:14:23 GMT
It kind of makes sense for them, they won't be expecting to shift high numbers. However it makes the slim ps5 being kept at RRP a more attractive purchase rather than reducing it which they now won't.
So all in all they will continue to sell the OG at almost original price and a little bonus with whatever pros they sell
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 11, 2024 12:30:16 GMT
The DF team were quite lukewarm on it interestingly. I think they mirrored my opinion that yes the tech is fascinating but the presentation didn't sell it at all and there's still not enough info to see what you're getting and yeah the price is just too much. I also still don't understand why a disc drive costs 100 quid, a disc drive that Sony makes itself. yeah I watched it too and I'm very much if the same opinion. It's the cpu that baffles me and they actually called it out a bit in that. RT is a bit of a CPU hog and they're asking more of it. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 12:52:34 GMT
I suppose that's where PSSR comes in, but we barely know anything about it so who knows.
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Post by Derblington on Sept 11, 2024 12:57:00 GMT
I suspect, despite it not showing well at the reveal, that we’ll see the actual tech upgrades/additions doing quite impressive things.
The price is a whole other thing.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 12:59:58 GMT
I agree but I think that's going to be more on the 1st party but I guess the added bonus of PSSR working on older SDK's is a big bonus and will probably be the lion's share of upgrades to 3rd party games.
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Post by Derblington on Sept 11, 2024 13:06:11 GMT
Nah, I think 3rd will utilise it also. Assassin's Creed Shadows in the first big 3rd party title they showed last night, as Origins was for the One X back then, so we'll hopefully get some indication relatively quickly.
Shooters having an easier time going up to 120fps with the required TV hardware should see an increase too.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 13:10:53 GMT
I'm not saying they won't use it but I think it will mirror the PS4 Pro where after a while a good amount of 3rd party stuff was just the resolution, and I think here as time goes by it may well end up the same thing of support just PSSR and nothing else. There are also going to be devs that do a bit more though.
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Post by harrypalmer on Sept 11, 2024 13:11:06 GMT
I actually want one, especially if GTA6 runs significantly better on it. But £800 including a drive, when I can probably only sell my OG for £250-300 and I don't really want to sell it anyway cos I'd rather give it to my son - is too much. For the time being anyway.
For me it needs a big killer app, I'm not bothered about going back and playing games I've already played - and GTA6 could well be it. Or Bloodborne.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 11, 2024 13:11:52 GMT
Amongst all this chatter about pricing, has anyone actually flagged that the console still LOOKS LIKE FUCKING ARSE
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 13:15:48 GMT
The most intriguing aspect is the fact that MS games that will be going onto ps5 will have Pro versions and the whole fan boy war that will erupt from that.
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Post by Derblington on Sept 11, 2024 13:16:17 GMT
Yeah, but I don't see the console so it's fine.
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Post by Derblington on Sept 11, 2024 13:17:51 GMT
In terms of games that I'd like to see get spruced up, I want Cyberpunk to get some extras. I'm still yet to play it.
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Post by TheSaint on Sept 11, 2024 13:22:09 GMT
The DF team were quite lukewarm on it interestingly. I think they mirrored my opinion that yes the tech is fascinating but the presentation didn't sell it at all and there's still not enough info to see what you're getting and yeah the price is just too much. I also still don't understand why a disc drive costs 100 quid, a disc drive that Sony makes itself. A quick look on Amazon suggests that external Blu-Ray drivers from brands you've actually heard of are around the £100 mark so it doesn't seem that crazy. |
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Post by rhaegyr on Sept 11, 2024 13:25:23 GMT
Except Sony will get huge economies of scale from mass production and in-house manufacturing whereas external Blu Ray drives are quite a niche item and won't be produced by the bucketload.
Again, arrogant Sony is seemingly back.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 11, 2024 13:26:03 GMT
The DF team were quite lukewarm on it interestingly. I think they mirrored my opinion that yes the tech is fascinating but the presentation didn't sell it at all and there's still not enough info to see what you're getting and yeah the price is just too much. I also still don't understand why a disc drive costs 100 quid, a disc drive that Sony makes itself. A quick look on Amazon suggests that external Blu-Ray drivers from brands you've actually heard of are around the £100 mark so it doesn't seem that crazy. What Rhaegyr said. Even DF remarked on it. |
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Post by brokenkey on Sept 11, 2024 13:26:53 GMT
I mean, why else do 4080s exist? That's like a thousand quid just for the GPU to play the same games. it powers the ai tools that I use instead of talking to my wife and kids. Can't do that in a PS5 |
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Post by JonFE on Sept 11, 2024 13:29:05 GMT
I actually want one, especially if GTA6 runs significantly better on it. But £800 including a drive, when I can probably only sell my OG for £250-300 and I don't really want to sell it anyway cos I'd rather give it to my son - is too much. For the time being anyway. For me it needs a big killer app, I'm not bothered about going back and playing games I've already played - and GTA6 could well be it. Or Bloodborne. By the time GTA 6 actually comes out and we actually know how well it runs, some things (ie prices) may change. No point taking the plunge now, IMHO. |
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Post by harrypalmer on Sept 11, 2024 13:31:23 GMT
Exactly.
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Post by Tuffty on Sept 11, 2024 13:37:58 GMT
I imagine Sony are hedging bets on GTA6 to do well for them. Talk in the background that they're arranging some marketing deal with Rockstar plus GTA6 isn't out on PC on release. I wouldn't say they made the Pro just for GTA6 but it's definitely a flagship title that will sell consoles, so they can push the selling point that you can get the best looking GTA experience only on this console and that'll prob make people consider it.
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