General PS5 Stuff

Shit keeps on getting more expensive, gonna have to give this one a swerve, actually disappointed GAME don't do trade-ins as I probably would just swap it for my current PS5 plus the odd game and cash.

I’m still not convinced many games are actually harnessing the power of the ps5 as it is. Fuck getting a pro.

Doesn't really matter whether it is or isn't. The reality is that the output is what it is, and we're currently looking at Quality modes at 30 fps and Performance modes with visuals dialed back at ~60 fps, or in rare cases some hybrid modes at ~40 fps with some of the visual sparkles included, provided you have a fancy new TV.
If the Pro then requires dev (opt-in, most likely, in most cases) to have Pro perf. patches that keep all the sparkles, or even add more, while keeping performance high, then that's the way we're going to get them. And I can see some studios making good use of it. Insomniac for sure, as well as other 1st party, and teams like CDPR adding more to CP2077.

And I got to thinking recently that it could actually provide some benefit to Sony, despite a lot of general apathy/negativity so far. There will be a bunch of people that will just pony up for the newest and best version. A handful of folks here will, I'd guess. I may (I'm on the fence until we see exactly what it offers but I've stripped back since selling the Xbox so I'm now primarily invested in one console family and I can just about justify it as I was looking at a second machine anyway).
But there're also a bunch of Xbox folk that are now frustrated with MS due to the multi-platform stuff leaving them feeling like they may not have made the best choice, and part of the Xbox marketing push was the "most powerful console" spiel. That will no longer be the case, and it does matter to some people. I'm not expecting the Pro to do gangbusters in the sales charts - it's just going to be priced too prohibitively - but I'm wondering if MS may actually be giving Sony a bit more of a push than they would have gotten otherwise.

Are they increasing the hard drive capacity on the Pro?
That would be a decent selling point

Just watching DF and they make a good point that if you're thinking of getting a Pro it would be in your best interests to order a disc drive now as they're probably going to sell out quite rapidly if it turns out it's digital only and you're very much into your physical media.

Doom The Dark Ages is already confirmed for a PS5 release, so no hanging about needed for that. It'll probably be day 1 too whenever the inevitable sequel rolls around.

If I was in the position where I didn't already have a PS5 and wanted to get one to use as my main console, then I can definitely see the pro appealing. It feels utterly pointless for me given how little I already play my PS5. I should've been their target audience too seeing as I upgraded to PS4 pro and One X last gen.

$600 does seem very likely at this point. Most likely without a disc drive. I mean it's for the enthusiast but that's a heavy outlay.

Fully agree. The games that run like shit in performance mode is not down to the current tech in the 5, but rather unoptimised shit in unreal engine. I don't care how modern that engine is with its fancy bells and whistles, when other engines look better and run at near 4k60 like Horizon and Spiderman then there is no excuse.

I upgraded my TV to 4k back in the PS4 days thinking I didn't need the pro. Then games looked like muddy garbage and I ended up getting the pro on black Friday and it felt justified being able to output at 4k and not have the TV smear low resolution up to 4k.
As of now there is nothing about the PS5 Pro that makes me think it is needed. It'll only make Devs less likely to optimise and pump out any old crap in the hope the pro can make it stick.

It goes back to the discussion from the other week, where there has been fuck all exciting to play on my bog standard PS5, so why would I stump up another 600 odd quid to play some PS4 remasters at a even slightly higher resolution?

We are swimming in games. It's a quiet year for 1st party, sure, but that's obviously not all that's available.

My backlog is looking forward to welcoming a few of those titles in the next few weeks.

I think that point had been missed.

*should be

The DF direct had a good piece on it and while there were enthusiastic about the tech, stuff like the machine learning hardware block for upscaling so more performance on the table, better ray tracing so things like Spider-Man 2 having ray traced shadows as well as everything else, better equipped for UE5, the issue is how do you sell it to the non enthusiast. The PS4Pro was sold on 4K, this one is a bit more tricky especially the idea is that you're saying that thr OG isn't the capable console you said it was at the beginning of the gen.

But they did say it will probably have the same sales as the ps4 and PS4Pro split which was around 80/20. At the end of the day this is for the enthusiast, but the price point could be very punchy.