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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 12, 2024 21:17:31 GMT
You could bypass them, but Microsoft have now patched it out. I’ve got a PC that could easily last a few more years, but because the motherboard doesn’t have TPM, I need a new build 🤬 You can download the ISO direct from Microsoft then use Rufus to create an installation USB that bypasses whatever requirement your system doesn't meet. Don't know if that might cause some funny business with future updates, but it might be worth a go if you don't want to upgrade surely you could just acquire an older build of windows and do an install without online connection ?
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Post by X201 on Sept 12, 2024 21:23:35 GMT
Looks like they've patched Windows 11 itself to check for it after install, so even if you get it running its going to be a case of finding new loopholes to keep it running.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 12, 2024 21:38:18 GMT
Wouldn't that render any installs that hopped through that loophole to now fall over and become e-waste?
I have 3 laptops and all of them are older hardware where I used Rufus to install windows. None have fallen over yet (not saying they won't at some point though)
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Post by malek86 on Sept 15, 2024 14:07:58 GMT
Finally got my Ryzen 5700X3D. Upgrading wasn't as hard as I expected - I forgot my aftermarket cooler is set up so that it can be removed without any need to take out the mobo.
All I've been able to try so far is the Assassin's Creed Odyssey Discovery Tour, and my CPU time went from 14-16ms (with the 3600) to 10-11ms. So that's a big improvement to be sure. Even if the slow RAM were a limiting factor, it would be fine for my 60hz monitor until the end of the generation at least. So with relatively little money spent, I can definitely press on for another few years. When UE6 games start coming out on the PS6, I'll just upgrade the entire system.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 15, 2024 16:44:14 GMT
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 17, 2024 8:06:17 GMT
Most of the 650 boards seem to be PCI4 for storage with a select few offering 5. The ones that offer 5 seem to be up there in the £200 range, at which point isn't it just better to get a 670 board?
Am I missing something?
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 17, 2024 8:41:59 GMT
Probably some common sense.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 17, 2024 10:10:02 GMT
helpful
the last time i looked at boards its was the diff between 570 and 550. the 550 still offered the same speed storage option just less of it where-as this appears to not offer the same depending on board as far as I can tell and then we have E variants.
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Post by uiruki on Sept 17, 2024 11:03:49 GMT
The ones offering PCIE5 will be B650E, because AMD wanted another variant to upsell on the stack. The main other connectivity difference between B650E and X670 is USB and SATA, which has double the capacity on the chipset. That gives 2 20gbps USB and 12 at 10gbps on the 670s, versus 1 and 6 on 650. B650E gives you more PCIE5 lanes than X670 non-E, but slightly less overall (B650E has 36 lanes, of which 24 can be 5 speeds, while X670 is 44/8 and X670E is 44/24). A single NVME drive uses up to 4 lanes and a graphics card 16, so you've got room for two full speed PCIE5 drives and your graphics card, then another 12 or 20 lanes for PCIE4. Only 8 lanes on the X670 seems bad at first but even the 4090 only runs at PCIE4 speeds so you're unlikely to be hamstrung by that. That makes X670E hard to justify, depending on pricing. My take as someone who isn't in the market is that if you want to use PCIE5 NVME drives than consider B650E only if it's cheaper than X670, otherwise just go with B650. If you need the extra lanes and USB on X670/E, then you already know you need them. After that, choose your board by the features you want and the number of M.2 sockets.
In short: Just want a computer that runs all your peripherals at full speed? B650. Do you really want PCIE5 storage, something that no games currently take advantage of? B650E or X670, whichever is cheaper.
Do you want a halo product that unless you're doing workstation/heavy duty networking stuff you'll definitely not use at all? That's what X670E is for.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 17, 2024 11:51:49 GMT
helpful the last time i looked at boards its was the diff between 570 and 550. the 550 still offered the same speed storage option just less of it where-as this appears to not offer the same depending on board as far as I can tell and then we have E variants. Only joking of course, didn’t we have virtually the same enthusiast level pc?
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 17, 2024 12:03:53 GMT
Pretty much, I'm so enthusiastic.
I'm still AM4 with a 5800x3d and you went whole hog and got a 7800 didn't ya?
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 17, 2024 12:05:14 GMT
uiruki appreciate that thanks. It's pretty much what I was understanding especially after digging into it a bit more this morning but I needed the sanity check
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