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Post by Vandelay on Oct 10, 2023 8:14:24 GMT
Yeah, it is never £850. It is normally just under £300.
Tempted by it at £250. Have been thinking of getting it and ditching my old harddrive, maybe also an old SATA SSD I have in my system.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 10, 2023 9:12:39 GMT
I have 2 'make do' drives (500gb SSD & 250gb nvme) and an old 1tb mechanical that will be replaced with this single unit.
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Post by uiruki on Oct 10, 2023 9:14:00 GMT
Remember that most stuff won’t take advantage of the throughput too, even with DirectStorage. I saw a 4tb drive with slower speeds (but still like 4000mb/s) for about £160 which I might jump on.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 10, 2023 10:26:32 GMT
Is it the fianxaianagaixnainxganaian brand ?
I'm sure that's the correct spelling...
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 10, 2023 10:32:24 GMT
I'm sure they have some at that price But there is a Crucial P3 4Tb that is regularly £100 cheaper than the sn850 though. Quick glance and it is £180 right now. There is also a Corsair mp600 that is under £200. I'm not certain, but think there are some concerns with reliability with those cheaper ones though. Performance-wise, benchmarks of the sn850 definitely put it as top of the pile. Whether it is noticeable in the real world is another matter.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 10, 2023 10:49:14 GMT
The WD has a DRAM cache which is usually the reason for the price diff between the cheaper ones.
Modern none DRAM ones utilise HMB (using a portion of host ram) instead for the buffer. Real world performance is probably negligible but if I can get one with for similar cost of one without I'd rather get it.
Unless it fails, I can see me hanging onto it for an upgrade or too
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Post by jimnastics on Oct 11, 2023 12:01:23 GMT
THought you folks would be able to help with this rather than starting a new thread. I've just got a new gaming laptop which came preinstalled with Windows 11, I'd rather be back on good ol' Windows 10 Pro. What are my best options here? I don't plan on spending a load of dosh on a W10 key...
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 11, 2023 13:16:05 GMT
Pretty sure it's a clean install at this point since you haven't got any restore point to roll back to.
What's your reason for wanting to downgrade just out of curiosity?
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Post by jimnastics on Oct 11, 2023 13:36:46 GMT
Pretty sure it's a clean install at this point since you haven't got any restore point to roll back to. What's your reason for wanting to downgrade just out of curiosity? Initially because I've never used 11 in my life and I just need to get the machine to a fully working business environment for me asap, however having a nose around it seems there are things I can do it get it more 10-like... so I may have a tinker. The laptop has got a 12th gen Core i5 in as well which apparently play better with 11, so maybe I need to give it a chance!
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 11, 2023 14:02:03 GMT
My only gripes with 11 were the start menu no longer cycling used apps, they're just pinned and it's all MS shite. Easily resolved though
Also the right click context menus for folders having another level to navigate through to get at Git Bash here or Open with code. Regedit can sort this out though.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 11, 2023 14:35:10 GMT
I think it is worth just giving it a go. Windows 11 can be made to look fairly indistinguishable from 10, if you can dig out the settings (I'm sure there are guides about to do that).
If you did want to go back, I think you kind of have to get a key. There are cheaper ways to get those, but I expect you are getting keys of dubious origins with that route, so you might as well just sail the high seas.
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Post by dfunked on Oct 11, 2023 15:03:14 GMT
+1 for sticking with it. Enable dark theme, left align start button and apply the reg fix to always show more options on right click and it's already a lot nicer to use.
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Post by uiruki on Oct 11, 2023 15:10:13 GMT
There's a program called Startallback which is made by the same guy who made Startisback for Windows 8 and it restores a lot of older UI elements. I've not used it as I've just stuck to W10 but that's an option.
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Post by jimnastics on Oct 11, 2023 15:11:09 GMT
Cheers guys, I'm doing a clean 11 install (removing Lenovo junk, Mcafee etc...) and will have a play around with it. Treated myself to a Legion 5 for work through a Prime deal, it just so happens to have an RTX 3060 for some lunchtime gaming......
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Post by zephro on Oct 13, 2023 11:49:12 GMT
I've not really noticed a massive difference between 10 and 11, but I basically only use Windows for gaming so am mostly launching shit through steam. So probably barely look at the start menu anymore.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 15, 2023 8:53:56 GMT
Amazon delivered a WD_Black package to my house yesterday ... minus a NVME drive. Some theiving cunt has stripped it from the box.
Needless to say a frustrated call to Amazon CS occurred minutes later. She clearly didn't have a clue what it was and couldn't mentally process that it was missibg but no damage to the box.
They were very quick to jump straight to refund. Makes me think lots of customers just claim shit is missing so they get it free.
No thanks, I want the drive not a refund I said to a bemused lady ... you want another one? No I don't want another one, I didn't get this one FFS.
Another has been ordered and appare tly should be delivered today though it's showing as 18-19. I'll be calling shortly to see if I can get it sooner.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 31, 2023 12:19:57 GMT
Replacement drive finally arrived. Pc is loads cleaner now, mechanical, sata SSD and old 500gb nvme removed along with a rework of my wiring. Like it, it's stupid fast. Love it.
Sata SSD and 3tb mechanical have now been transplanted into my sab/sonarr/radar/plexbox both to improve speed and storage over the old 1.5tb IBM drive that was crushngly slow and clickety.
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Post by barchetta on Nov 3, 2023 15:44:15 GMT
Currently got my eye on a prebuilt with 7800x3d and 4070 that is tempting. Only concern is the mobo - Gigabyte B650M-K.
Think that is only M2 @ gen4. Does it look like gen5 is going to be a must have over next few years?
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 3, 2023 15:51:44 GMT
Gen 4 will probably be fine for a long time. The SSD in a PS5 is only gen 4, so I can't see anything needing anything faster than that for a long time.
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Post by barchetta on Nov 3, 2023 16:37:04 GMT
Gen 4 will probably be fine for a long time. The SSD in a PS5 is only gen 4, so I can't see anything needing anything faster than that for a long time. Ah, I guess I could risk it and maybe change the board in a few years. My i5-6600K / GTX1070 have served well since 2016. Not sure I can expect quite so long a run next time but it really is starting to creak. With the latest titles requiring rather more horsepower and my eye on MSFS2024 I think I just need to get off the potty and make a decision!
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Post by dasbooter on Nov 6, 2023 13:17:52 GMT
I'm thinking about getting my son a gaming pc for Christmas. Looking at this configuration from Mesh, which comes in at £1015.
CiT Pyro Gaming Case ARGB GameMax 750W PSU ASUS PRIME B550M-A II Micro -ATX Motherboard AMD Ryzen™ 5 5600 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 (2x16GB) - Corsair Vengeance NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB Graphics card 1 X 2TB nvme SSD 1 X 500GB nvme SSD Windows 11
I know it's cheaper building myself, however I'm out of practice and am happy to pay extra for less hassle.
Is there anything glaringly bad about the above? The gfx card and ssd's are probably budget brands, and the case needs more fans.
He would be gaming at 1080p.
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 6, 2023 13:42:01 GMT
Looks pretty good to my eyes. I wouldn't worry too much about budget brand GPU, as they are all still basically an Nvidia card underneath the fan solution. You can pay more for better cooling or for marginal clock speed increases, but unlikely to make much of a real world difference. Personally, I always just go for whatever is the cheapest, ideally at the RRP from Nvidia. A 3060 is going to be ideal for 1080p.
A cheap SSD might have an issue when direct storage comes into play, but I really can't see it being an issue in the foreseeable future.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Nov 7, 2023 11:00:04 GMT
What are the makes/speeds of the nvme drives?
550 boards usually only have a single pci gen 4 m.2 slot and the other is gen 3. Had a quick look for this board and it just listed 2 not their actual spec. Assuming the 500gb is the boot then the 2tb will be limited to running at gen 3 speeds. Not exactly an issue right now but maybe worth bearing in mind for the longer term especially when DirectStorage becomes more prevalent.
Also, there is no monitor or peripherals listed. Hooking to a TV or already have a monitor?
EDIT depends on which slot you put your drives in though.
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Post by dasbooter on Nov 7, 2023 12:17:26 GMT
What are the makes/speeds of the nvme drives? 550 boards usually only have a single pci gen 4 m.2 slot and the other is gen 3. Had a quick look for this board and it just listed 2 not their actual spec. Assuming the 500gb is the boot then the 2tb will be limited to running at gen 3 speeds. Not exactly an issue right now but maybe worth bearing in mind for the longer term especially when DirectStorage becomes more prevalent. Also, there is no monitor or peripherals listed. Hooking to a TV or already have a monitor? Can't see the make of the 500gb (which would be the boot drive). The 2TB is a Firecuda 520 series. Mesh have just offered to change the mobo to a ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS, (which they assured me was better) and the gfx card to an RTX4060, and it's come in cheaper at £1003. Hmm.. looks like all the motherboards they offer in this range have one M2 slot faster than the other. It'll primarily be a gaming machine, reckon it's worth asking them to make sure the 2TB is installed in the faster slot then? Got peripherals and a monitor already (although I'll replace that over time with something newer that supports gsync).
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Post by Fake_Blood on Nov 7, 2023 12:27:57 GMT
What you need to ask there is how much memory the 4060 has, because a 12GB 3060 will perform better in some games versus a 8GB 4060.
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Post by dasbooter on Nov 7, 2023 12:34:44 GMT
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 7, 2023 12:36:44 GMT
I assume the second slot is a gen 3? The Firecuda 520 is a gen 4, so should be absolutely fine, as long as it is in the gen 4. Interesting article from DF the other day where they tested a SSD with a 3200MB/s speed in a PS5, where the requirement is 5500MB/s. TBH, I only skimmed the article, so there might be caveats, but the conclusion was it made no real difference other than a very slightly longer load time on boot of a game (1 or 2 seconds) and few frames lagging when using things like fast travel. They also mention little perceived difference between gen 3 and 4 on PC (again though, that might be different when direct storage becomes a thing). www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2023-df-weekly-testing-marvels-spider-man-2-on-the-worst-ps5-ssd-money-can-buyEdit - the 8GB on the GPU might be an issue. Some games are showing real signs of struggling with only 8 now and I could see situations where the 12GB 3060 will out perform the 8GB 4060.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 7, 2023 12:55:34 GMT
Vandelay - they even crippled the drive by taping over pins to force it to run even slower.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Nov 7, 2023 13:38:30 GMT
Overall the 4060 is probably better, you’ll be stuck with medium texture in a couple games, and maybe some stuttering when it has to load more textures. But dlss frame generation is a bigger deal imo, and I think the 3060 can’t do that. But just looking at fps the 4060 is indeed 10-20% faster.
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Post by barchetta on Nov 19, 2023 13:09:35 GMT
Been watching my PCPartpicker choices on the run up to Black Friday and the 7800x3d is now 329.99. Not sure if it will go much lower so I might have just made a start on my first self-build.
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