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Post by dmukgr on Jul 28, 2023 7:38:55 GMT
So I think I am back on the idea of buying/building a PC for playing the new FIFA on instead of getting a PS5. The reasons being that I have an ultrawide monitor 3440x1440 and it seems it works on that rather than having the black bars. Besides, I currently use an Intel NUC box that really struggles with Teams, so it would be good for work as well - though being on all the time, I would rather have it run at low power for keeping the leccy bill down.
I've built loads of PCs in the past, but not for years, and I am lazy, so ideally I am hoping you guys can recomend something pre-built, with a small footprint. I don't need a laptop as I have a great one with work anyway. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 28, 2023 13:31:28 GMT
I'm pretty wary of prebuilt as it's hard to find one that's well suited and if you do you'll get substandard parts or pay a huge premium. So would say build it yourself, especially if you have experience doing so - It's fun!
Although I have just had a bad experience with components failing, the support from the shop was excellent and I'm back up and running with a replacement CPU and motherboard in just over a week.
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Post by dmukgr on Jul 28, 2023 13:40:26 GMT
When I used to live near the office (with a lab) building a PC wasn't too bad as when something inevitably didn't work I could swap out parts, to work out the issue. Now I live miles away, but I believe PCs are more like lego these days and more friendly to build anyway.
I used to think it wasn't done properly if I hadn't lost blood somewhere along the way.
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Post by dmukgr on Jul 28, 2023 13:41:27 GMT
I've been doing some research though and I can't even work out what spec I could get away with to run ultrawide with, and the costs just ramp up as I keep thinking ah, I will just up this bit, and more ram you say? why not, etc.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 28, 2023 13:56:48 GMT
Haha they are generally easier these days, I would be pretty interested to know the stats on parts failing given my recent experience...
I'm running that Ultrawide res but went at least mid-high end. Not sure what Fifa's demands are these days or if you want it for anything more than that... Mine ended up about £1500 all-in for 7600x/32GB DDR5 6000/7900XT with everything except the monitor and PSU... I imagine you could easily build something on a last-gen platform that would perform well enough though for under £1k... maybe £800 or £900 if pushing it.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 28, 2023 14:19:23 GMT
Seems like a shame to use it for work if you do build something. Unnecessary strain on components and probably not the most power conscious choice for WFH. It's nice to keep work and play totally separate too. Won't your employer provide you with kit?
I would've thought that a NUC should be able to handle Teams, unless it's a ropey celeron or something.
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Post by KD on Jul 28, 2023 15:22:45 GMT
Not sure on this year's fifa but I had locked 60 at 4k with 5600x, 32gb ram and 2060 super. May be the ps4 engine games as I not loaded fifa for over a year on pc.
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Post by dmukgr on Jul 28, 2023 15:40:00 GMT
Regarding the work thing - I do have a work laptop that is pretty high end, but I like to have something plugged into my home set up that I can work from, set up for playing music etc. whilst I work, and I just use Horizon to connect. I just use the laptop for travelling.
Other than Fifa, everything I play could run on a soggy beermat. Old arcade, snes, spectrum games. That sort of stuff. For everything else I have a switch. I did think of getting a PS5, but that doesn't run ultrawide and would be a waste for one game, so either way it is a bit of a luxory whatever I get. Maybe I was just being naive thinking I could build a small footprint PC for not much more than a PS5 that would do the job.
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Post by dmukgr on Jul 28, 2023 15:40:55 GMT
I would've thought that a NUC should be able to handle Teams, unless it's a ropey celeron or something. An old i5 that hasn't got the virtual gubbins to run Win11 so stuck on Win10 and it seems to panic when you have loads of people on video on it.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 28, 2023 16:24:04 GMT
The days of being able to build a fairly powerful mid-range PC for £500 are certainly over. Even under a £1000 is tight, although probably doable if you don't mind looking at slightly older parts.
Not played a FIFA in ages, but I can't imagine it needs anything too fancy. Glancing at the recommended specs, I would say any 20 or 30 series Nvidia GPU along with an i5 or 7 level processor from the last 4 or so years will likely be quite capable. 16GB of RAM would be sufficient, but it is cheap at the moment, so might as well go for 32GB. 2TB SSDs can be had for not much more than £100, so can probably just go with one of those and you won't be desperate for any more storage than that.
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Post by uiruki on Jul 28, 2023 17:11:26 GMT
FIFA on PC has just moved over to the current gen graphics engine with FIFA 23 which seems to be a bit too much for integrated graphics at least at resolutions above 720p so that'd rule out something like a current gen Ryzen NUC. The prebuilt SFF PC scene seems a bit weak right now too.
If you can, you might well be better off finding somewhere to stash a bigger machine if it isn't going to move.
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Post by dmukgr on Jul 28, 2023 19:44:12 GMT
Thanks all
If I decide to build it myself for between £1k and £1.5k, am I better going Intel or AMD for cpu and ATI or NVidia for GPU?
Any pointers to a spec would be appreciated.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 28, 2023 19:58:59 GMT
Think mine is a good spec...
7600x/7900XT (both AMD) - over 100FPS in Cyberpunk on Ultra at 1440p ultrawide (no RT)
Intel/nVidia equivalent would probably be 13600K/4070Ti but you'd be on an older platform, for better (mature, stable, cheaper DDR4 RAM) or worse (limited future upgrades).
You could also save a few hundred by going last-gen AMD with a 6950XT.
If you're looking for a smaller footprint I highly recommend the AP201 case which is mATX, I started out looking for an ITX case but mATX gives you more options and better value for not much increase in size. The AP201 is decent value and a dream to build in - there's a reason everyone seems to be using them!
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Post by barchetta on Jul 28, 2023 21:43:28 GMT
I'm still on the fence re prebuilt vs self build. Mainly for warranty issues and my lack of experience.
Was seriously considering a 5800x3D based system but since my current PC (prebuilt) has lasted me since 2016 (i5-6600k/gtx1070) I'm thinking AM5 is most logical. So, 7600x or 7700x with 4070ti and update my 2560x1080 to a 1440UWD monitor. 4k UWD is out of my budget but for MSFS2020/2024 I think the step up to 1440 will help with HUD/instrument clarity.
Been following some deals on Hotdealsuk and Palincomp are heavily promoted. Certainly look like a budget end builder but main components look sound.
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Post by paulyboy81 on Jul 28, 2023 21:46:02 GMT
Bought my dad a pre-built system from Palincomp, can't complain to be honest. It's been doing the job and was solidly built despite being at the budget end of their range.
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Post by barchetta on Aug 9, 2023 8:39:27 GMT
Hmm... just put together a PC build on Palincomp then compared prices of same parts to Amazon (you can tell I'm new to this game!) and Amazon came out £20 more expensive and without 3yr warranty... not sure the 'self esteem through pain' is a bigger draw than the convenience of prebuilt on those terms, tbh.
Is this PC Parts Picker thing a better option? Are prices aggregated and reliable?
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 9, 2023 10:21:23 GMT
Found Amazon to be terrible to buy computer parts. Handy returns policy (I assume because they make so much money that they don't care if people abuse it), but I find them to be almost always more expensive than elsewhere and the site is terrible for comparing options, with things often mislabeled or with incomplete specs.
PC Partpicker is great for finding the best price. It isn't always a comprehensive list of places to be able to buy stuff and occasionally I'm not sure the reliability of the places it lists, but can't say I have had a bad experience.
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Post by barchetta on Aug 9, 2023 10:25:40 GMT
Found Amazon to be terrible to buy computer parts. Handy returns policy (I assume because they make so much money that they don't care if people abuse it), but I find them to be almost always more expensive than elsewhere and the site is terrible for comparing options, with things often mislabeled or with incomplete specs. PC Partpicker is great for finding the best price. It isn't always a comprehensive list of places to be able to buy stuff and occasionally I'm not sure the reliability of the places it lists, but can't say I have had a bad experience. Thanks, I'll chuck the parts on there when I get the chance and see how things add up.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Aug 24, 2023 9:48:25 GMT
Don't know where to post this but the new DLSS 3.5 ray stuff looks quite bloody good, especially in that Alan wake trailer.
I was initially torn that it's part of the DLSS 2 pipeline as I prefer to use DLAA when I can. However, since all games are now coded like shit and we're being forced to use DLSS I'll guess I can adapt for some pretty colours
i do wish they'd piled a whole bunch of cash into overhauling Physx instead of pretty lights.
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Post by stixxuk on Aug 25, 2023 9:51:39 GMT
Don't know where to post this but the new DLSS 3.5 ray stuff looks quite bloody good, especially in that Alan wake trailer. I was initially torn that it's part of the DLSS 2 pipeline as I prefer to use DLAA when I can. However, since all games are now coded like shit and we're being forced to use DLSS I'll guess I can adapt for some pretty colours i do wish they'd piled a whole bunch of cash into overhauling Physx instead of pretty lights. Came here to say the same thing on that DLSS 3.5. Regretting that 7900XT purchase now, feeling like I should have gone for a 4070 Ti
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Aug 25, 2023 10:03:51 GMT
Forgot to link some videeeoooohs.
I expect a rebrand or something coming soon because DLSS the featureset is a mishmash of fuckery and support behind numbers and I think it's because they realised that DLSS as a term seemed to be catching on. Fuck knows why they didn't just just go with DLSS, DLFG and DLRR. They've did it with DLAA.
DLSS 2.5 is the upscaler and works on all rtx cards, only .5 versions left before it's climbing inside DLSS 3s ass DLSS 3 is the framegen and only works (officially) on 40x series cards DLSS 3.5 is ray reconstruction and again works on all rtx cards as it's part of the DLSS 2.x pipeline.
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Post by Chopsen on Aug 25, 2023 11:44:04 GMT
Yeah, in a similar boat (except I got a 7900 XTX, nerr nerr)
If you want some copium, to take advantage DLSS needs to the game to actually support, right? More VRAM is *always* a good thing.
However, I do wonder will take advantage of the extra ram. 20+ vs 8 GB is a hell of difference. They're obviously going to target the lower spec...
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Aug 25, 2023 12:36:25 GMT
They will still code to a base spec but you will see that a lot of games will just gobble up vram if it's available meaning your card does less shuffling.
Lots are jumping on the DLSS 3.5 wagon but have any of the new titles jumped onto directstorage (other than ratchet&clank)?
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Post by Chopsen on Aug 25, 2023 12:54:08 GMT
Oh sure.
What I mean is how many devs will deliberately take advantage of GPUs with more RAM to make noticable difference, and how much of it is just going to get used up by poor optimisation and garbage collection? (Which *might* translate to better performance, but only by accident)
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Post by zephro on Aug 25, 2023 17:09:51 GMT
When Phantom Liberty comes out I may finally get Cyberpunk and trace some sweet DLSS 3.5 rays on my 3060 Ti. Something where the game is kinda designed with it in mind. Mostly it's just been Doom Eternal, which was a subtle change but everything goes tearing past so fast you don't notice.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 25, 2023 17:17:36 GMT
How much of an improvement of FPS does the .5 actually add to ray tracing though? I haven't seen many videos about it, but a still from one above just shows something like 8 FPS, which isn't exactly gaming changing. It seems to be more about image accuracy rather than performance.
Looks absolutely gorgeous though and I'm fortunate/crazy enough to have a 4090, so not too concerned about performance. Looking forward to path tracing goodness in AW2 and finally playing Cyberpunk when the Phantom Liberty update drops.
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Post by zephro on Aug 25, 2023 17:20:01 GMT
The 3.5 thing is more focused on quality from my understanding. The sampling is less noisy. So I'd imagine it's similar performance but looks better.
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Post by barchetta on Aug 25, 2023 17:35:27 GMT
Yeah, think Nvidia are playing the quality card here and say to expect broadly similar performance.
Still on the fence re: new PC but this isn't helping!
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 25, 2023 17:37:05 GMT
That was my understanding from the little I've seen too. Using the AI for denoising. I feel that quite a lot of people might get overly excited about this giving them a big performance boosts and then complain when it makes negliable difference on their 20-series card.
As someone already mentioned, using the DLSS name isn't helping here.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 25, 2023 18:18:49 GMT
FSR 3 revealed coming in the very non specific q1 24.
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