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Post by Vandelay on Jun 27, 2023 21:53:21 GMT
Doubt the 360 pad will really connect until it gets into Windows. It will be getting power from the USB, but not much else.
I assume there won't be any kind of diagnostic display on the motherboard (if it did, there would be an eight segment display or two that will provide you with an error code), but there should be some LEDs somewhere to indicate where it is getting to in the BIOS boot-up process. It can be misleading sometimes (when I last did a CPU upgrade it was telling me that it was failing at the GPU stage, when it was actually the new CPU that was DOA), but should will give a good indication if it is a hardware issue.
You say you have checked the RAM sticks are seated correctly (a good shout, as that can require some fiddling to get right), but might be worth doing a memory test to make sure something more fatal isn't wrong with them
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Post by BeetrootBertie on Jun 27, 2023 22:10:25 GMT
Cheers, I'll set a memory tester going. The PC is behind a desk but when I pulled it out to check yesterday I could only see 1 green LED inside when it failed to boot up.
I might have to get it out again and take a look as it boots up and see if there's a sequence of lights. There's certainly no beeper in this one, which is a shame as they're handy.
The SSD boot drive is good apparently, 82% - I was wondering if it might be getting a bit long in the tooth but seems OK.
Edit: No errors found in MemTest64 (with an 8 loop test anyway). Unfortunately there's no LEDs on the mobo, just a single green one to indicate power which seems ok. Some cheap beeper speakers have been ordered.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 4, 2023 19:05:32 GMT
Bought most components for my new build... (7600, AP201 case plus mobo/ram/ssd) but holding off on the GPU and monitor.
Was going to get the AW3423DWF and 7900 XT, but the prices of both combined are up about £200 vs a week ago which I can't quite stomach.
60hz non-adaptive-sync monitor and 1070 it is for now then. Bah.
May be due to coming sales and companies bumping prices just before hand...
And waiting paid off... just ordered the DWF for £650 after discounts and cashback... ka-ching! I guess I can live with paying £800 for the GPU now.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 14, 2023 14:39:34 GMT
Got everything now including the DWF, looking forward to finishing work later so I can give it a go properly.
Currently working on the monitor and the text, to me, is absolutely fine and everything else looks good. Never used an ultrawide or curved monitor before and at first it's a bit weird, but very cool. Then you just start to love the screen real estate.
Task bar hidden, dark mode, black solid desktop all set to avoid burn-in paranoia!
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 14, 2023 15:08:28 GMT
Nice. Ultrawide is lovely and I've found 34" at 1440p ideal. I was surprised how great it was for productivity too, not just gaming. It was something I was hesitant about, but I really didn't need to be.
Enjoy the new build.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 14, 2023 15:10:40 GMT
Thanks - also very excited to be using a >60 Hz monitor to play games on for the first time!
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jul 14, 2023 15:35:47 GMT
Speaking of the hidden taskbar, sometimes it leaves a line of pixels on the bottom of the screen which annoys me to no end.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 15, 2023 10:08:12 GMT
Speaking of the hidden taskbar, sometimes it leaves a line of pixels on the bottom of the screen which annoys me to no end. Yeah that is a bit crappy, seems to not be an issue in Win11. Considering just leaving the taskbar on and to hell with it, apparently Dell have a 3 year burn-in warranty...
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Post by Matt A on Jul 15, 2023 10:09:41 GMT
Hopefully over the next few years Oled monitors will become proliferate and affordable.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jul 15, 2023 10:21:04 GMT
Speaking of the hidden taskbar, sometimes it leaves a line of pixels on the bottom of the screen which annoys me to no end. Yeah that is a bit crappy, seems to not be an issue in Win11. Considering just leaving the taskbar on and to hell with it, apparently Dell have a 3 year burn-in warranty... Oh it’s there in win11 alright, but only some of the time. I’ve tried the same thing, black background, disabled icons and hidden taskbar. I mean it’s a cool effect when all the pixels are off but that one line ruins it. Wouldn’t worry if you have 3 years warranty, been using a CX for 2 years now without burn-in.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 15, 2023 21:48:34 GMT
FFS after a bit of Forza earlier I booted up Cyberpunk and the screen cut out with no signal. Now the pc won't even POST, GPU fans not spinning up and even the USB keyboard isn't lighting up.
Temps all seemed fine etc beforehand so not sure what triggered it. There's a red DRAM LED on the mobo but I've tried swapping the ram around as well to no avail.
Gonna take it down to bare minimum parts tomorrow and see if I can get it to boot. Otherwise I'm not sure what to try first, RMA the motherboard?
Looks like a few people have had similar problems with this and other Gigabyte b650M models...
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Post by lukasz on Jul 16, 2023 2:02:15 GMT
good luck. this is a scary event...
I had issue with my asrock b350 (I think it was the case*) at some point after 4 years the computer didnt want to boot at all. screwdriver manually triggering the motherboard to start didnt work. using paperclip to start PSU did work. usb things plugged to computer in off mode were lighten up tough (like my desk lamp or keyboard). then the pc started to work, then it happened again after few months, and then after few weeks, then after couple days. so got new motherboard and that fixed the issue. it was not pleasant experience.
Did you try to get new ram? and it still didnt work?
*a then with the same ram which was on my old motherboard but with new motherboard (b450), new gpu and new cpu I had massive crashes in certain games. ram was the issue which was faulty. during memtest test 6 failed. do wonder if that caused the pc not to start (but i doubt it? but I do believe memtest passed when i got the ram, so maybe my old mobo broke the ram?)
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 16, 2023 8:15:55 GMT
Did the screen just cut out during Cyberpunk or did the system actually crash? If the latter, I would think a power issue is most likely. A temp problem would be similar, with the system turning itself off instantly. However, hardware is pretty good at protecting itself (as long as you don't turn off the protections), so it is unlikely permanent damage would have happened and you would be able to re-boot.
If it was just your screen losing signal, I feel that the GPU is likely the culprit. You mention the fans not spinning on boot, which is odd as they should be kicking in the second you power-up (it is normal for them to stop entirely after posting, only activating again when there is a load and temps increase). If at all possible, try the GPU in another system and see if there is an issue. If that does work, might be worth checking the PSU as well, as perhaps it is not getting power to your GPU.
Alternatively, if you have a CPU with a iGPU you can try taking the GPU out and see if it works just with the CPU's integrated graphics.
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Post by jimnastics on Jul 16, 2023 8:20:44 GMT
If any of you folks have a RTX 2060 or similar for sale for around £160, I'm interested Still need to upgrade to boy's machine, starting to chug a bit on the old 280x...
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 16, 2023 8:29:14 GMT
Did the screen just cut out during Cyberpunk or did the system actually crash? If the latter, I would think a power issue is most likely. A temp problem would be similar, with the system turning itself off instantly. However, hardware is pretty good at protecting itself (as long as you don't turn off the protections), so it is unlikely permanent damage would have happened and you would be able to re-boot. If it was just your screen losing signal, I feel that the GPU is likely the culprit. You mention the fans not spinning on boot, which is odd as they should be kicking in the second you power-up (it is normal for them to stop entirely after posting, only activating again when there is a load and temps increase). If at all possible, try the GPU in another system and see if there is an issue. If that does work, might be worth checking the PSU as well, as perhaps it is not getting power to your GPU. Alternatively, if you have a CPU with a iGPU you can try taking the GPU out and see if it works just with the CPU's integrated graphics. The screen cut out and the system fans, leds etc kept running but the whole thing was unresponsive. Can't get it to boot even with just the CPU and a screen connected to the mobo HDMI or DVI ports, so it's looking like a motherboard RMA. Also tried each stick of RAM individually in various slots so seems unlikely it's actually the RAM. Pretty crappy! Tempted to buy another brand so I'm not stuck waiting weeks to get it back up and running, and then once this is RMA'ed get it returned or worst case if I can't do that, sell it on eBay (as long as the fixed/replaced one is working).
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jul 16, 2023 10:41:22 GMT
Did you wait a couple minutes when you tried each stick of ram? AM5 takes forever to learn new ram.
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Post by Matt A on Jul 16, 2023 10:44:42 GMT
Brings back nightmares but north of 60fps will be worth it.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 16, 2023 10:52:50 GMT
Did you wait a couple minutes when you tried each stick of ram? AM5 takes forever to learn new ram. I waited about 20 mins... Seemed enough. I do remember on first boot, when it was working it took probably 2 minutes or so...
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jul 16, 2023 10:57:57 GMT
Yeah more than enough. RMA the board and let’s hope it’s not the cpu.
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 16, 2023 11:28:29 GMT
Welp, all taken apart and boxed up. Tested another PSU while I was at it just in case but no dice. Luckily got the mobo and CPU from the same place (Neocomputers) so will see what they say come Monday. Until then, Steam Deck it is. And maybe go outside or socialise or something...
100FPS ultra it was sweet but brief, we will meet again soon. Until then at least I can enjoy working on the new monitor (whilst trying not to fret too much about burn-in).
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 21, 2023 13:16:14 GMT
So it's turned out it was indeed the motherboard failing. Sent it and the CPU back to where I bought them (Neocomputers) and they tested both and are replacing the mobo. Totally excellent service from those guys, really impressed by the speed and level of communication from them - I went with them originally because they had the best price but will be using them again in future.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 21, 2023 13:43:14 GMT
Glad it's been sorted. Soon get back to that sweet hi refresh goodness
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jul 21, 2023 15:57:54 GMT
You going for the same mobo then stixxuk?
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 21, 2023 17:17:20 GMT
Yeah going for round 2...
It just has a slightly better spec than all the equivalents except maybe the tuf gaming which is about the same, but the GPU slot is lower down which I don't really have room for in my case (GPU is fairly large and has a support bracket, and I want intake fans under it as well).
If this one fails too I'll go for the tuf.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jul 21, 2023 18:35:23 GMT
You sure? I thought all that stuff was standardised?
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 21, 2023 18:44:02 GMT
Technically I think it would fit, I just prefer the extra space and until the Gigabyte went kaput I was very happy with it.
Hoping it was just an unlucky dud.
The support bracket that came with the graphics card definitely wouldn't fit with the Asus, probably not essential but also better with than without.
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Post by barchetta on Jul 22, 2023 22:21:36 GMT
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Post by Gruf on Jul 23, 2023 8:05:58 GMT
MSI 4060 TI £296 at AMZ just now link
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Post by stixxuk on Jul 25, 2023 14:10:03 GMT
So actually they tested the CPU as well and both were gone. Wondering if I got stung by the famous voltage issues (despite having a 7600x and not any kind of X3D model) but I had updated the BIOS and was running at stock settings other than EXPO on the RAM.
Feeling slightly anxious about having an AM5 system at all now as I've never had trouble before with PC parts failing (at least not within the first few years) but will just have to see how it goes. I guess for future reference don't go in on the first generation of a platform, and don't buy a Gigabyte motherboard... Have heard it's a good idea to tone down the SOC voltage as well, even after the BIOS updates.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jul 25, 2023 14:58:29 GMT
No, fuck that noise. I bought 6000MT ram, and if that means I need to enable EXPO on a stock bios, and the whole thing goes up in flames, that’s on them. I’m not going to undervolt just in case. But honestly I think you just had bad luck, but I also understand being a bit paranoid now.
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