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Post by apollo on Apr 12, 2024 9:02:06 GMT
Being in the office also helps to get to know other people in other departments where I work but only in rows in front and behind me. there is teams I walk past and have no idea what they do.
I really don't like people that take the piss with WFH, we had 2 temp workers that no way did their hours. We finally got rid of the last one late last year and both of the shits want to work with us again. Hopefully I can put a spanner into the works now there is new senior manager.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 12, 2024 9:31:13 GMT
I would argue that people who don't do their hours WFH will also not do their hours in the office. They might be present, but that doesn't mean they're working.
I know I faff around just as much in the office as I do at home.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 12, 2024 9:35:47 GMT
I would argue that people who don't do their hours WFH will also not do their hours in the office. They might be present, but that doesn't mean they're working. I know I faff around just as much in the office as I do at home. Exactly. I feel like that complaint has been levied at people who WFH routinely when there are SO many people who are in the office and do fuck all work and constantly get away with it. Many from this forum for example...
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 12, 2024 9:36:20 GMT
Work should be output based and not hours based anyway for most jobs. Something most managers don’t understand resulting in the good workers doing far more work for the same pay as those that are slow and useless.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 12, 2024 10:03:32 GMT
I think everyone understands it they just don’t want to admit they get paid for 20 odd hours of work and 15 of fucking about.
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Post by Dougs on Apr 12, 2024 10:34:16 GMT
More if the fucking about includes pointless meetings
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Post by zisssou on Apr 12, 2024 10:42:14 GMT
I think you also forget that some of us work on sprint boards, where the work is time logged against you, so there's no shying away from not doing work. Plus WFH I can take 2 hour lunch breaks, and I don't feel judged. If I feel I'm taking the piss, then I log into my Teams app and reset the timer
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 12, 2024 10:45:20 GMT
I worked on project teams for years. I don’t think I accurately booked time against tasks once.
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 12, 2024 13:48:31 GMT
More if the fucking about includes pointless meetings That's about 90% of some people's work at my place.
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Post by apollo on Apr 12, 2024 15:14:00 GMT
You will keep having meetings until you find out why no work is being done
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Post by askew on Apr 12, 2024 15:17:24 GMT
Fucking about to find out is all part of the creative process.
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Post by zephro on Apr 12, 2024 20:41:33 GMT
Having just been the only person who turned up for one of my team's leaving drinks... WFH can get in the fucking sea. Admittedly a few people who would definitely have turned up are on holiday and that's bad luck..but everyone else decided their cosey not coming in to town was more important than giving someone a send off. Selfish fucking cunts.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 12, 2024 20:44:58 GMT
I was in the office today with one other person on my team who did seven straight hours of teams calls. Great collaboration. Much teamwork.
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 12, 2024 21:29:25 GMT
When I went in this week it involved going for coffee twice, listened to the only other two people in moan about their boss then I spent the rest of the morning in meetings via teams. Decided it was pointless being in so went McDonald’s then home at lunch.
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Post by zephro on Apr 12, 2024 21:33:28 GMT
OK I'm genuinely furious and want to fire people but can't. Someone I manage organised leaving drinks, it was shit luck the 2-3 people who would definitely turn up were on holiday (possibly bad organisation and arrange a different day). However the other half dozen people said they would show up and in various ways over the course of Friday afternoon either came up with shit excuses or ghosted the whole thing so his leaving drinks was just me and him, with me being his line manager. I'm fucking livid with all those lazy cunts for not bothering.
Turning up to someone's leaving drinks isn't technically part of their job but show some fucking respect and comradery over just wanting to stay at home.
I didn't know where else to vent this, but it seem extremely related to the WFH chat.
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Post by Danno on Apr 12, 2024 21:44:09 GMT
OK I'm genuinely furious and want to fire people but can't. Someone I manage organised leaving drinks, it was shit luck the 2-3 people who would definitely turn up were on holiday (possibly bad organisation and arrange a different day). However the other half dozen people said they would show up and in various ways over the course of Friday afternoon either came up with shit excuses or ghosted the whole thing so his leaving drinks was just me and him, with me being his line manager. I'm fucking livid with all those lazy cunts for not bothering. Turning up to someone's leaving drinks isn't technically part of their job but show some fucking respect and comradery over just wanting to stay at home. I didn't know where else to vent this, but it seem extremely related to the WFH chat. You fire a guy, you're the only person to show up to his leaving drinks at which he clearly bought all the booze and now you want to fire more people? Convenient.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Apr 12, 2024 21:59:15 GMT
Ah, the ol’ trusty “yeah, I’ll see you down there”.
Never fails.
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Post by Decks on Apr 12, 2024 22:29:45 GMT
I definitely wouldn't have turned up for that leaving do.
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Post by Lizard on Apr 12, 2024 22:50:35 GMT
IME attendance at leaving drinks is more reflective of the leaver than location of colleagues.
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Post by zephro on Apr 12, 2024 23:00:52 GMT
Ah, the ol’ trusty “yeah, I’ll see you down there”. Never fails. This is basically it. Like he's a Ukrainian refugee so English is his 4th language minimum. Social bonding may have been awkward and somewhat attenuated. But you fucking show up to these things out of common decency. If we'd all been in the office I'd at least have been able to collar some people.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Apr 12, 2024 23:06:51 GMT
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 13, 2024 5:22:42 GMT
Lgbtqiapk would be a really good scrabble word, if they hadn't removed scoring!!!
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Post by ekz on Apr 13, 2024 5:31:17 GMT
Can't tell how you much I'd resent being guilt-tripped by my manager to attend something in my free time that I don't want to attend with people I don't want to be with when I'm not being paid to do so from a job I'd rather not attend to either but have to to keep a roof over my head.
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Post by Dougs on Apr 13, 2024 6:22:09 GMT
Big leaving do's are fast becoming a thing of the past imo. Used to be whole team affairs but are often now just direct teams. Even long timers who are retiring etc now just sneak out as things have become so fractured. Not worth doing the whole pub room hire anymore.
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 13, 2024 6:36:34 GMT
We just had loads leave at once. Most people turned up but I was stuck doing work as was my boss.
I was out of going as I knew a former employee (retired) with a chip on his shoulder was going and most of the older ones get a bit racist after one drink.
I wouldn’t ever say I was going if I didn’t plan to though, that is a bit shitty.
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Post by Rich on Apr 13, 2024 6:47:00 GMT
Big leaving dos are about the one thing that the job can still do well. Everyone who can will always turn out, filling out whatever place we've taken over. Drinks, speeches, presents, the works.
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Post by zephro on Apr 13, 2024 8:40:34 GMT
It wasn't a big one. He just invited the 5 or 6 people who directly work with him. All of which made positive mumblings during the week before bailing at the last minute so noone turned up.
Just the poor guy. It's shitty selfish behaviour.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Apr 13, 2024 9:44:04 GMT
As someone who can’t wfh it’s frustrating when those that can stroll in looking haggard af and being completely out of the loop because there’s so much stuff said and happening that doesn’t end up in an email or chat.
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Post by simple on Apr 13, 2024 10:11:51 GMT
I can sympathise with that. My usual split is Mon, Tue at home Wed-Fri in the office but missing any office days means I feel totally out of the loop on any departmental level stuff because so much is discussed in passing or as quick chats. Plus it gets kinda lonely sat home alone all week.
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Post by Tuffty on Apr 13, 2024 18:28:47 GMT
We used to go out for people's leaving do's then there came a point where people were leaving every few weeks. Nights out on a pub crawl all add up and people just quietly and collectively agree to just not do it as much. But then the way management's gone, each team is essentially all our for themselves lately, eager to shift blame onto others and once works done there's no retrospective, it's straight onto something else and oh, can you get that done for the end of the week too? The way the teams talk to each other we all may as well be working from home anyway
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