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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 10:45:04 GMT
'Vote Trump in '24.
Because you deserve it.'
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 30, 2021 11:24:57 GMT
Trump wouldn't fight fair this time either. The big difference is that he's making sure every state has a sensor that is willing to back his lies. This time they'll steak the vote. Mmmmm...steak.
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Post by Lukus on Nov 30, 2021 11:31:27 GMT
Might as well just assassinate Trump now and finger QAnon. And also pin the assassination on them.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 30, 2021 11:34:46 GMT
I'd be ok with that.
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Post by Tonka (π,πͺ€) on Nov 30, 2021 13:15:09 GMT
Oh gods, my eyesight is so shit I can't post without my reading glasses.
Where's that "Old people's club" thread?
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Post by cubby on Nov 30, 2021 13:20:04 GMT
Trump wouldn't fight fair this time either. The big difference is that he's making sure every state has a sensor that is willing to back his lies. This time they'll steak the vote. Mmmmm...steak. With ketchup
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Post by MolarAmπ΅ on Nov 30, 2021 13:38:02 GMT
I would like it if Trump just died, out of the blue. Even though he's more a symptom of the rot rather than a cause, he exacerbates all of the bullshit. I hated arguing with people about Trump, and don't ever want to go back to that.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 30, 2021 14:35:34 GMT
I would like it if Trump just died, out of the blue. Even though he's more a symptom of the rot rather than a cause, he exacerbates all of the bullshit. I hated arguing with people about Trump, and don't ever want to go back to that. I'm ok with this too.
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Post by dogbot on Nov 30, 2021 14:48:02 GMT
Oh gods, my eyesight is so shit I can't post without my reading glasses. Where's that "Old people's club" thread? *gestures at entire board*
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 14:51:26 GMT
If Trump dies now he risks becoming a martyr and an accelerant to conspiracy theories.
I still stand by that it probably would have been the lesser of two evils for Trump to win 2020. A continuation of general incompetence and chaos is probably preferable to the retribution agenda for 22/24, especially with the increased push to dissolve voting rights.
It wouldnβt have been such a problem if Biden was ok as President but he seems to be doing everything in his power to look like a fucking idiot and piss all goodwill away.
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Post by Lukus on Nov 30, 2021 15:02:19 GMT
So you're saying we should assassinate Biden?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 30, 2021 15:05:49 GMT
I'm of the opnion that either situation of Trump winning or losing would fuck over America regardless, him losing now has propagating the stolen election lie, him winning would lead him to trying to consolidate his power, his base feeling even more empowered to fuck over and casue even more harm to minority groups. Either way the country is fucked because the orange stained fat genie is well out there now.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 30, 2021 15:07:11 GMT
If Trump was still in office, the anti vax nonsense would be amplified 100x more. God knows how he would have handled Afghanistan.
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 15:11:59 GMT
Iβm not so sure the anti-vax stuff would have been worse. They had always been pushing the vaccine as a Trump-led thing and a major win for their administration, and it wasnβt until the Dems took back the Presidency that the lunacy accelerated and the GOP started rallying against it. Most of the anti-vax posts I see nowadays are right wingers blaming Biden in some way.
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Post by lexw on Nov 30, 2021 17:00:05 GMT
If Trump dies now he risks becoming a martyr and an accelerant to conspiracy theories. I still stand by that it probably would have been the lesser of two evils for Trump to win 2020. A continuation of general incompetence and chaos is probably preferable to the retribution agenda for 22/24, especially with the increased push to dissolve voting rights. It wouldnβt have been such a problem if Biden was ok as President but he seems to be doing everything in his power to look like a fucking idiot and piss all goodwill away. I honestly don't buy that "becoming a martyr" is really a thing anymore. Especially outside of the left. MLK did, but who else? I can't, off-hand, think of any household names. Particularly not if you require them to actually inspire action beyond the odd march. As for a lesser evil I'm pretty sure he'd have left America so fractured that he'd have pushed any break-up forwards by decades. Whether that's good or bad depends on perspective but I tend to think bad for most.
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 17:09:29 GMT
Right, but if he (or the Trumpian GOP in general) gets back in in 2024 they'll do the same but even more aggressively.
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Post by Tonka (π,πͺ€) on Nov 30, 2021 18:40:46 GMT
God knows how he would have handled Afghanistan. He couldn't possibly have fucked it up any harder than Biden.
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Post by cubby on Nov 30, 2021 18:51:52 GMT
I just can't get my head round the idea that it would have been better for trump to have won 2020. It's almost qanon logic but in reverse.
Trump would have gutted everything even harder than he already had done, more judges, packed the supreme court even more, had even more power to unbalance further elections.
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Post by anephric on Nov 30, 2021 18:54:24 GMT
Trump has encouraged people to get the vaccine, from what I could tell legitimately, to boos at various of his rallies, so I don't think he's that stupid. He obviously was sicker with Covid than he let on and it shook his misperceived sense of superiority and untouchability.
Afghanistan would have been exactly the same or worse. Biden was just following through on an established gameplan, it was always going to be a fuckup.
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 18:56:21 GMT
Well I specifically avoided using the word βbetterβ as it would have been a clusterfuck either way. My point is that, should he win in 2024, heβll still do everything you mentioned, just way more aggressively and way more punitively.
Again itβs countermanded if the Dems pull their fingers out and stop fucking around doing effectively nothing, but thatβs not happening right now.
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 19:06:07 GMT
Trump has encouraged people to get the vaccine, from what I could tell legitimately, to boos at various of his rallies, so I don't think he's that stupid. He obviously was sicker with Covid than he let on and it shook his misperceived sense of superiority and untouchability. I have a feeling he ranks "not getting credit for the vaccine" pretty high on his grease-stained list of grievances. I've been involved in a lot of the data for vaccine hesitancy etc, and there's a very significant increase in the more hardcore "it's all a scam, it's government overreach, they just want to track you, the government are Nazis etc" reactions after November 6th and especially in January, to the point where it's virtually inarguable there's causation there, even when accounting for availability, promotional campaigns, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 19:14:05 GMT
Ehh, even prior to the vaccine being widely available, the right has been anti-mask and anti-social distancing, and that was when Trump was in office. It's inaccurate to say Trump or his party have been pro-vax and that they simply want credit for it. If anything, that vaccine push at the tail end of his run was more a last minute push in hopes of getting some undecideds to vote in his favor. He had consistently downplayed covid prior, most infamously with the whole "just drink windex" speech.
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 19:19:24 GMT
The vaccine wasn't widely available during Trump's Presidency though, and anti-vax was a broad concept and not specific. Granted, Trump could have still wobbled around and done his "use light beams into your veins" instead of outright promoting the vaccines, but the data significantly highlights the political divide after the Dems reclaimed the government being a major part in vaccine resistance in the US.
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 19:30:45 GMT
Just to be clear in case it's not coming across right, I'm in no way advocating or suggesting Trump should have won 2020 or that things would have been "better" if he did, more that the current Dem response to everything is doing precisely nothing to remedy the issues caused by his administration, is strengthening resistance and increasing division, and is currently on track to hand big R wins in 2022 and 24, which will absolutely be on a platform of retribution for the perceived "crimes" of their political rivals.
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Post by Danno on Nov 30, 2021 19:40:25 GMT
Genuine Q: what should they be doing differently?
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 19:47:24 GMT
Stopping the in-fighting should be a no brainer. That their entire agenda is pretty much contingent on the opinions of two moderates and two progressives is ridiculous. Being way more aggressive instead of this continual slow drag that goes nowhere (the Jan 6th investigation is basically going to be Mueller Mk 2) as well. Way more aggressive on economical factors like the price of oil, instead of trying to be delicate and not piss off Big Oil. They're trying to everyman their way into mediocrity currently and it's doing nothing.
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 19:49:51 GMT
Also, maybe get rid of the filibuster so they can actually accomplish things, and do all the easy and quick wins like cancelling student debt. I get that those two are pretty controversial though, but they could be pretty easily done.
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Post by π on Nov 30, 2021 19:52:24 GMT
Basically, they need to grow a fucking spine.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 19:54:24 GMT
Gremmi 2024
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Post by dogbot on Nov 30, 2021 19:59:56 GMT
The only one in US politics...
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