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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 9, 2024 9:17:09 GMT
If that video is indeed real (as I'm still not sure it's not just a brilliant piece of satire), I'd wager they are the type who previously argued reviews shouldn't talk about anything but gameplay and that any politics should be totally disregarded. I've read and heard a number of people over the years espouse that games (or anything) should not be read critically and that the only things that matter is the gameplay. In their view, if there's a seam of misogyny or homophobia in the game it shouldn't matter if the gameplay is good. But somehow this view doesn't apply if there's a non-sexualised female protagonist or gay character. Then all of a sudden the politics become the overarching thing. Nothing wrong with shooting Russians on an airport either. But I also have a bit of a feeling this guy is acting, there's just something about the examples he chooses etc. that seems a little too ironic. I've seen fake Flat Earthers and conspiracy theorists who are really just taking the piss and it can be difficult to tell them from the real thing.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 9, 2024 9:28:15 GMT
Even if he'd not taking the piss, he might just be putting it on for his target audience. Half this lot don't believe what they're saying anyway.
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Post by Tuffty on Sept 9, 2024 11:40:12 GMT
Can't even agree on what games are woke and which aren't if that google doc was anything to go by. How do you say Cyberpunk is woke for writing about trans humanism but not Deus Ex?
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MolarAm🔵
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 9, 2024 11:49:50 GMT
Because Deus Ex doesn't let you choose your dick size
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Post by zephro on Sept 9, 2024 12:56:13 GMT
Nah it's because you can't play as someone with boobies, and quite possibly cooties.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 9, 2024 13:25:23 GMT
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 9, 2024 21:15:55 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 9, 2024 21:19:17 GMT
"I'm being cancelled and silenced" says moron on readily accessible, famous website.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 9, 2024 21:41:23 GMT
Hopefully Jack White will continue to limit use of his music until we never hear any of it again.
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 9, 2024 22:28:38 GMT
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 14, 2024 4:49:52 GMT
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Post by Onny on Sept 14, 2024 7:05:46 GMT
“Got a gun Fact I got two That's okay man cause I love God Glorified version of a pellet gun Feel so manly when armed”
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Post by Dougs on Sept 14, 2024 7:17:03 GMT
Could also put this in the paedo thread. Like some of his music, abhor the man.
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Post by brokenkey on Sept 14, 2024 7:24:06 GMT
"I'm being cancelled and silenced" says moron on readily accessible, famous website. Also, he's bought the rights to the album back, so could release it himself via any number of channels, but instead wants a record company contact. Twat.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 19, 2024 11:47:06 GMT
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 19, 2024 11:54:04 GMT
One of the thing that annoys me there is "This is what we, the gamers, the audience, not the non existent 'modern audience' want", implying that the whole gaming audience is homogenous monoculture where everyone wants the same thing.
It's just annoying how everything has to be dragged into the fucking culture war by a bunch of knuckle dragging overly sensitive manchildren.
I think there's plenty of space for dumb macho shooters, but I'd get very bored if all we had was glory killing.
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Post by gamingdave on Sept 19, 2024 11:57:28 GMT
One of the thing that annoys me there is "This is what we, the gamers, the audience, not the non existent 'modern audience' want", implying that the whole gaming audience is homogenous monoculture where everyone wants the same thing. It's just annoying how everything has to be dragged into the fucking culture war by a bunch of knuckle dragging overly sensitive manchildren. I think there's plenty of space for dumb macho shooters, but I'd get very bored if all we had was glory killing. It's really odd. You don't see the same in any other medium (at least not to the same degree) where people think music or film is just "one type of thing" and everything else is somehow wrong.
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 19, 2024 13:51:57 GMT
Maybe because the predominant target audience of video games has traditionally been pubescent white boys, at least more so than other media that tend to have broader target audiences, and so there's been a more dominant norm that needs to be upheld and defended against the woke mob.
But I'd say those calls for homogeneity go far beyond just games or other media, as large parts of society still want to suppress anything that deviates from the norm, like homosexuality, gender fluidity, certain religions, and so on. The normative mindset behind this is pretty similar imo.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 19, 2024 14:13:17 GMT
One of the thing that annoys me there is "This is what we, the gamers, the audience, not the non existent 'modern audience' want", implying that the whole gaming audience is homogenous monoculture where everyone wants the same thing. It's just annoying how everything has to be dragged into the fucking culture war by a bunch of knuckle dragging overly sensitive manchildren. I think there's plenty of space for dumb macho shooters, but I'd get very bored if all we had was glory killing. It's really odd. You don't see the same in any other medium (at least not to the same degree) where people think music or film is just "one type of thing" and everything else is somehow wrong. I dunno most nerd adjacent things definitely have a problem with this aspect currently. Cough,cough...Star Wars.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 19, 2024 14:14:35 GMT
The dominant market for games hasn't been pubescent white boys for years now though, surely?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 19, 2024 14:17:37 GMT
The dominant market for games hasn't been pubescent white boys for years now though, surely? I believe if you're encompassing all gaming together which would include mobile then it would be women. White women but still women.
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Post by rhaegyr on Sept 19, 2024 14:30:42 GMT
There's a receptionist at our place who's a 60-odd year old woman - never thought she'd be into video games.
Only found out last week she's a die-hard gamer who's smashed tons of games - just finished her fourth completion of Pikmin 4.
Genuinely surprised me!
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 19, 2024 14:35:27 GMT
The dominant market for games hasn't been pubescent white boys for years now though, surely? Well yeah that's what they're upset about now. (mind that when I say "pubescent" I don't mean that purely in an age-restricted sense, but also including those with a perpetual mental state)
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 19, 2024 14:37:43 GMT
Mobile gaming complicates things a bit, as it can share both big similarities and big differences with dedicated gaming platforms (and PC).
But, are there many kids of any demographic that aren't playing games these days? I don't know any kids who don't play games, regardless of gender, race, etc... Infact you could probably scale that up to almost anyone under 30 rather than just kids.
White males might still be the largest group for expensive dedicated hardware, but I imagine that's more due to income disparities than anything else. And it's not going to be anywhere near as dominant as it used to be in the 80s.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 19, 2024 14:39:37 GMT
Mobile gaming complicates things but it's still classed as gaming and it absolutely dwarfs the core console market.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 19, 2024 14:40:45 GMT
It's a bit surprising when you see the diversity numbers in the UK industry though. ukie.org.uk/UK-games-industry-census-2020#:~:text=70%25%20of%20people%20working%20in,to%20the%20proportion%20of%20women Gender split is abysmal, but I believe it is a better split when you compare to other tech industries. Ethnic minorities though are actually higher than the national average, as is LGBTQ+. Not sure if other countries have similar figures, but certainly in the UK it paints a fairly positive image. Still a lot of work to be done, especially with gender. The audience is still predominantly white men for traditional video games though and the industry still makes games for that group. Indies seem to be aimed at a broader group, but the big sellers still target the same groups, whether those are from small teams or big.
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Post by simple on Sept 19, 2024 15:41:01 GMT
The dominant market for games hasn't been pubescent white boys for years now though, surely? The marketplace for being a whingeing manbaby is absolutely saturated though. I always kind of assume that the reason The Gamer archetype is still so entrenched is because everyone else is too grown up or emotionally literate to bother engaging with them anymore. Even here I don’t think anyone on Fontgeek as being of The Gamers but we’re absolutely a gaming community. I suspect women console/PC gamers similarly just do their own thing too. Basically The Gamers only have a voice because the 90% of other players are either literally children or can’t be arsed so they seem like a significant cohort despite largely not being.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 19, 2024 15:46:31 GMT
I certainly don't interact with the gaming "community" as they're insufferable.
It's tricky because nobody "normal" wants to interact with the neckbeard weirdos, but that means they form their own weird toxic cesspool. Echo chambers in effect and all that.
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Post by 😎 on Sept 19, 2024 20:07:33 GMT
It's tricky because nobody "normal" wants to interact with the neckbeard weirdos, but that means they form their own weird toxic cesspool. Echo chambers in effect and all that.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 19, 2024 21:02:49 GMT
We're one of the good cesspools
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