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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 24, 2024 21:07:19 GMT
My own annecdotal experience is that people who never interact with racial minorities - actually minorities in general - are the ones most likely to be racist (or homophobic or transphobic).
Once people actually speak to THE OTHER they often realise they're not so bad...
Of course there is a weird phase in between where they'll still profess to hate immigrants or ethnic minorities, but they'll class the ones they meet as "one of the good ones".
But to that I can only say fuck off, most people are "the good ones".
I'm a misanthropic bore but even I can realise most people are actually kind of okay. It's the minority of cunts ruining it for everyone else. But unfortunately they often have the loudest voices.
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Post by Tuffty on Mar 26, 2024 17:02:49 GMT
How did we ever go along with the notion that Joey Barton was 'one of thr most intelligent footballers' when he's putting out a tweet and he writes you are guarding as 'You're guardian'? Suppose that one appearance in newsnight completely ruined that image tho. Not much else to be expected from someone that calls women's football as lesbo-ball
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Post by simple on Mar 26, 2024 18:10:46 GMT
He did get into The Smiths that time though. Unfortunately he’s Team Morrissey rather than Team Marr.
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Post by mothercruncher on Mar 26, 2024 18:55:27 GMT
True, true. I don’t need to meet any of them though to know it’s perfectly ok to HATE the Benelux.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 26, 2024 19:12:15 GMT
How did we ever go along with the notion that Joey Barton was 'one of thr most intelligent footballers' when he's putting out a tweet and he writes you are guarding as 'You're guardian'? I suppose the follow up question to that is: what if he actually is one of our most intelligent footballers? he’s not, he’s a fucking moron
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Post by Dougs on Mar 30, 2024 23:34:56 GMT
More stupid than concrete growing imo.
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Post by Vortex on Mar 30, 2024 23:56:03 GMT
I don't know, growing concrete was one of my favourite things of the last few years.
That clip was *amazing*.
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Post by Danno on Mar 31, 2024 0:12:41 GMT
That profile pic. Who would think "yeah that's what I want to represent me. That is me at my most magnificent"
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Post by simple on Mar 31, 2024 1:06:16 GMT
That profile pic. Who would think "yeah that's what I want to represent me. That is me at my most magnificent" Come on now, Welby looks pretty cheerful there I think
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 31, 2024 8:54:13 GMT
Visiting family for Easter, sister has a minor rant about how the countries becoming lawless due to wokery.
I just can't be arsed to even argue, she isn't a bad person, probably like most people, but her views have definitely been skewed by the god awful media she consumes.
It's nothing new and it's not just her as most of my family have been drifting that way, or maybe they've always been that way, but it does make it hard to think of much to say to them sometimes.
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Post by simple on Mar 31, 2024 9:01:27 GMT
Wokery makes the country lawless? I thought wokery meant there were too many rules nowadays? Is it both?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 31, 2024 9:09:39 GMT
I think the (stupid) argument is that WOKERY means we're too soft on CRIMINALS and THE YOUTH so they do what they want and commit crimes without consequence.
Because we never had crime until things went WOKE.
My sister also voiced her support for bringing national service back.
I'm really bad at confrontation sadly so I can't be bothered to call her shit out, as I wouldn't be able to do it in a calm manner.
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Post by simple on Mar 31, 2024 10:28:42 GMT
Sounds like she might be marrying my brother this summer. And falling out with my parents in the process.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 31, 2024 10:30:17 GMT
I think the (stupid) argument is that WOKERY means we're too soft on CRIMINALS and THE YOUTH so they do what they want and commit crimes without consequence. Because we never had crime until things went WOKE. My sister also voiced her support for bringing national service back. I'm really bad at confrontation sadly so I can't be bothered to call her shit out, as I wouldn't be able to do it in a calm manner. Does your sister also come with a You magazine supplement?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 31, 2024 13:54:33 GMT
I think the (stupid) argument is that WOKERY means we're too soft on CRIMINALS and THE YOUTH so they do what they want and commit crimes without consequence. That's a new one on me.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 31, 2024 14:00:11 GMT
We don’t have the resources to catch or cage criminals anymore which, ironically, is a side effect of the mild facism we have been experiencing.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 31, 2024 14:07:45 GMT
As with most people, she seems to be confusing "wokery" with liberalism, political correctness, compassion, being civilised, etc. As well as falling into the classic easy answers route ("if only we beat these wronguns a bit more everything would be fine").
In a broader sense of the term, I do think some kind of national service actually wouldn't be a terrible thing. If kids around 16 were to do voluntary work, assisting with community projects or similar, it could be good way to get more community spirit and also build up on those skills of being in the workplace. It might also encourage more people into those professions. I guess you could chuck in some military options, if you were so inclined.
I expect Hickman's sister would consider that sort of thing a bit soft though.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 31, 2024 14:18:23 GMT
In a broader sense of the term, I do think some kind of national service actually wouldn't be a terrible thing. If kids around 16 were to do voluntary work, assisting with community projects or similar, it could be good way to get more community spirit and also build up on those skills of being in the workplace. It might also encourage more people into those professions. I guess you could chuck in some military options, if you were so inclined Would this be kids around 16 who are doing it in addition to school? Or kids after they leave school (isn't 18 compulsory now?)?
Delaying college or university?
It sounds like a good idea in theory, but I can't help feeling that in reality it'd be a bunch of bored fed up teens picking up litter and bitching about how the entire thing was a waste of time.
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Post by Tuffty on Mar 31, 2024 14:19:37 GMT
As with most people, she seems to be confusing "wokery" with liberalism, political correctness, compassion, being civilised, etc. As well as falling into the classic easy answers route ("if only we beat these wronguns a bit more everything would be fine"). In a broader sense of the term, I do think some kind of national service actually wouldn't be a terrible thing. If kids around 16 were to do voluntary work, assisting with community projects or similar, it could be good way to get more community spirit and also build up on those skills of being in the workplace. It might also encourage more people into those professions. I guess you could chuck in some military options, if you were so inclined. I expect Hickman's sister would consider that sort of thing a bit soft though. May also get people to interact and talk with other people of different backgrounds and see there's common ground, broaden out the horizons a bit and be more accepting.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 31, 2024 14:20:59 GMT
Yeah sure bring on National Service...so where's the money coming from to set it up all then? Because that seems like it would need a department at a national level to oversee it as well as funding at a local level in cooperation with local councils to get it all working. But obviously when you mention that you'd probably just get crickets. Also is this compulsory? Is this a law that has to be passed to get young people to participate in?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 31, 2024 15:19:18 GMT
As with most people, she seems to be confusing "wokery" with liberalism, political correctness, compassion, being civilised, etc. As well as falling into the classic easy answers route ("if only we beat these wronguns a bit more everything would be fine"). Oh absolutely, but "woke" is presented in such a nebulous way by the right wing media it can literally mean anything. It really is the new (not that new) political correctness gone mad. It's absolutely the effect of the media being pushed by Murdoch etc. Meaningless buzzwords designed to make people angry at entirely the wrong thing.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 31, 2024 15:58:26 GMT
Hey, just throwing out ideas, didn't realise I was going to need to create a project plan and budget for it as well!
But, yes, it would likely cost money, but so do all investments and it seems clear that we do need to invest in young people at the moment. I could see a lot of positives coming from schemes like that, if they were correctly organised.
I would see it as part of education. I had to do work experience whilst at school, so not really that different, but it would need to be a lot more organised than that was. I don't think having a once a month or so type of arrangement would be an issue. Of course, there are also quite a few nations that do have national service requirements for 16+ year olds, albeit they are all military based, as far as I know and I assume only for when having left school or taking a year out of university.
Probably not a realistic idea at the moment, but I can see positives from something along those lines. Certainly more so then a military focused scheme, which seems to be mostly suggest by people wanting kids to be scared into obedience.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 31, 2024 16:05:12 GMT
Hey, just throwing out ideas, didn't realise I was going to need to create a project plan and budget for it as well! But, yes, it would likely cost money, but so do all investments and it seems clear that we do need to invest in young people at the moment. I could see a lot of positives coming from schemes like that, if they were correctly organised. I would see it as part of education. I had to do work experience whilst at school, so not really that different, but it would need to be a lot more organised than that was. I don't think having a once a month or so type of arrangement would be an issue. Of course, there are also quite a few nations that do have national service requirements for 16+ year olds, albeit they are all military based, as far as I know and I assume only for when having left school or taking a year out of university. Probably not a realistic idea at the moment, but I can see positives from something along those lines. Certainly more so then a military focused scheme, which seems to be mostly suggest by people wanting kids to be scared into obedience. I wasn't aiming at you or anyone here, it was more towards the type of people who say that as the answer to the country's ills. The irony being that cuts in local services which remove places where young people can go and where local communities can get together is probably what would be better for social cohesion, keeping vulnerable kids off the streets and actually occupied. But obviously that's just a radical idea.
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Post by stuz359 on Mar 31, 2024 20:58:28 GMT
Today, I heard the term 'big woke.' Genuinely both funny and sad, like a clown.
As for National Service, I have to echo Jambo's comments. Better to invest in communities and youth services, but with the coming war (according to Donald Tusk, not me!) might be a good idea.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 31, 2024 21:24:51 GMT
I did take delight in ribbing my sister this afternoon with "bantz" though.
She had bought my dad a bird feeder that come with some free packets of feed, and she had noticed a pack of feed had fallen out near the display in store, so she added that "spare" packet into the box she was buying.
Had fun pointing out she had basically stolen that extra packet of feed and that it was an example of how the country was lawless.
(To be honest I don't think my sister is a bad person, just a bit too eager to lap up whatever the tabloid rags tell her. That might make her a bit thick and uncritical, but I don't think she's actually crossed a moral event horizon or anything. Not yet, anyway).
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Post by stuz359 on Mar 31, 2024 21:46:31 GMT
I did take delight in ribbing my sister this afternoon with "bantz" though. She had bought my dad a bird feeder that come with some free packets of feed, and she had noticed a pack of feed had fallen out near the display in store, so she added that "spare" packet into the box she was buying. Had fun pointing out she had basically stolen that extra packet of feed and that it was an example of how the country was lawless. (To be honest I don't think my sister is a bad person, just a bit too eager to lap up whatever the tabloid rags tell her. That might make her a bit thick and uncritical, but I don't think she's actually crossed a moral event horizon or anything. Not yet, anyway). Quick question, is she relatively well off? I don't mean 1%, I mean, has she been relatively sheltered from the Cost of Living Crisis(TM)?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 31, 2024 22:14:34 GMT
stuz359 I don't know her finances critically but I'd say they do alright. The cost of living crisis has probably had an impact but less than others. I think she and her partner are mortgage free (mainly because the modest house was inherited by her partner). They both work in a factory, think her partner has some foreman kind of role. So they're far from broke but not hugely affluent.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 1, 2024 1:41:11 GMT
I would just start blaming everything that goes wrong on it being 'woke' whenever she was around.
"Damn it, the bloody woke coffee has spilled again!"
"Why does this door keep jamming?! Bloody woke doors!"
etc.. until she lost it entirely and murdered me.
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Post by Ulythium on Apr 1, 2024 15:50:52 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 1, 2024 16:07:25 GMT
I'm intrigued. Does her viewpoint go through other way for trans men? How silly of me, of course it doesn't.
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