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Post by mikeck on Mar 23, 2024 15:24:05 GMT
I grew up and lived in Devon for 21 years then moved to London for 19 years, now I'm back in Devon and it staggers me that times have definitely not changed.
For example, going to gigs down here is fucking weird, not a person of colour to be seen, just a sea of gammon, it's fucking depressing. I think we're going to be high-tailing it back to civilisation again in a couple of years.
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Post by technoish on Mar 23, 2024 15:43:11 GMT
Racism is bad, but why is it a problem that there are only white people from local area at a gig if that matches who lives there?
If you were to go to a particular music night near me, in south London, it might be 99+% non white.
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Post by mikeck on Mar 23, 2024 15:45:32 GMT
It just shows how white it is down here, I made no mention of racism for a crowd being 100% white. It's just fucking weird in this day and age.
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Post by technoish on Mar 23, 2024 16:00:34 GMT
I know you didn't and I was suggesting you were being racist, but you said it was depressing there were only white people, implying this was racist. Or else I can't quite understand why it would be depressing!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 23, 2024 16:02:08 GMT
Local gigs for local White people.
And tiny Union Jack flags for ALL.
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Post by mikeck on Mar 23, 2024 21:01:55 GMT
I know you didn't and I was suggesting you were being racist, but you said it was depressing there were only white people, implying this was racist. Or else I can't quite understand why it would be depressing! You don't think in modern multi-cultural Britain it is a little sad to be in places and only see white faces?
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Post by technoish on Mar 23, 2024 21:06:50 GMT
Can't tell if that is supposed to be a put on.
If it's a place of privilege, perhaps. But more remote bits of the UK? Absolutely not. They don't usually have relatively many people moving there any way.
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Post by mikeck on Mar 23, 2024 21:15:40 GMT
I'm saying it from someone from the area, who grew up with one black kid in my secondary school (in a big city) and moved away and came back hoping things had changed. I'm sure moving to Devon would appeal to a lot of people, but maybe one determining factor to not would be how fucking backwards it still is down here.
Local pub landlord making jokes about "flied lice" during his pub quiz only months ago is just one example of how things have not changed down here.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 23, 2024 21:37:19 GMT
It's very similar on the IoW and seems the same lots of rural/coastal areas. I have no desire to move really but will definitely be pushing my kids away to go and experience life outside of this island. It was an eye opener for me all those years ago and absolutely made me appreciate diversity.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 23, 2024 21:49:26 GMT
I'm saying it from someone from the area, who grew up with one black kid in my secondary school (in a big city) and moved away and came back hoping things had changed. I'm sure moving to Devon would appeal to a lot of people, but maybe one determining factor to not would be how fucking backwards it still is down here. Local pub landlord making jokes about "flied lice" during his pub quiz only months ago is just one example of how things have not changed down here. Eurgh.
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Post by RumMonkey on Mar 23, 2024 23:46:05 GMT
I'm saying it from someone from the area, who grew up with one black kid in my secondary school (in a big city) and moved away and came back hoping things had changed. I'm sure moving to Devon would appeal to a lot of people, but maybe one determining factor to not would be how fucking backwards it still is down here. Local pub landlord making jokes about "flied lice" during his pub quiz only months ago is just one example of how things have not changed down here. Eurgh. I know, what a plick. Soz, watched Lethal Weapon 4 recently
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Post by zephro on Mar 24, 2024 0:16:29 GMT
I'm saying it from someone from the area, who grew up with one black kid in my secondary school (in a big city) and moved away and came back hoping things had changed. I'm sure moving to Devon would appeal to a lot of people, but maybe one determining factor to not would be how fucking backwards it still is down here. Local pub landlord making jokes about "flied lice" during his pub quiz only months ago is just one example of how things have not changed down here. I know how you feel, except for the moving back bit. First place I got served, just before or after my 15th birthday, in the West Midlands was "The Labour in Vain". Which once you went in had a big mural of people trying to wash a black man clean. Which my friend thought was funny, but his Mum's boyfriend was the landlord. I internally vowed that the beer wasn't worth it and never went back. But also fucked off to Manchester then London and stayed as any time I pop back to the West Midlands it's not changed. Curry is still banging and chip shops are still cheap.... but fuck me you're moments away from the BNP.
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Post by đ on Mar 24, 2024 1:34:55 GMT
The worst âjesus christ how is this still a thing nowadaysâ racism Iâve encountered was meeting my exâs family. Her mom was dating this old guy from Reno, and literally the first thing he said to me (before heâd even introduced himself or even knew my name) was âHey Englishman, you got a lot of problems with (n word)s in England?â
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Post by Tuffty on Mar 24, 2024 2:47:19 GMT
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Post by cubby on Mar 24, 2024 7:47:15 GMT
How come there's always at least one person on a mobility scooter?
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Post by gray on Mar 24, 2024 9:19:46 GMT
Seems like a fairly calculated move. That's about the 5th time I've seen the picture this morning. Would you have heard about his "speech" if he wore flip flops?
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Post by MolarAmđ” on Mar 24, 2024 9:25:58 GMT
I wish there was like a universal block button for people. Not just on Twitter or whatever, just a general way to not bear witness to dumbshits who feed on attention. A bit like that Black Mirror episode about the IRL "scary things" filter, except a filter to protect me from annoyance.
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Post by peekconfusion on Mar 24, 2024 10:51:00 GMT
Seems like a fairly calculated move. That's about the 5th time I've seen the picture this morning. Would you have heard about his "speech" if he wore flip flops? It must be. He's an idiot but I don't think he's *that* much of an idiot. It's the Donald Trump playbook.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 24, 2024 11:17:34 GMT
It's classic rage engagement. I doubt he himself thought of it no doubt someone on his team is billy basic savvy enough to know that you can feed promotion from your opponents doing this kind of schtick.
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Post by MolarAmđ” on Mar 24, 2024 11:50:38 GMT
It would be nice if there was less of a reward structure for being a posturing idiot with nothing constructive to say. I feel like so much of modern (particularly online) discourse is some variation of irony-cloaked "oh did I OFFEND you, snowflake?!" horseshit, with the predictable outraged reactions, and all the while our time on this earth is slowly ticking away. It's just about pushing other people's buttons, with no benefit aside from the dopamine hit of owning a lib.
Like, wtf is going on. Does anyone actually talk about issues anymore? Or is all this culture war kabuki the only thing that's left.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 24, 2024 12:09:52 GMT
Seems like a fairly calculated move. That's about the 5th time I've seen the picture this morning. Would you have heard about his "speech" if he wore flip flops? I think by now we can just Occamâs razor this one down to the fact heâs an idiot. But, yes, it would be nice of we could just accept that and leave him to it.
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Post by Lukus on Mar 24, 2024 14:08:16 GMT
The worst âjesus christ how is this still a thing nowadaysâ racism Iâve encountered was meeting my exâs family. Her mom was dating this old guy from Reno, and literally the first thing he said to me (before heâd even introduced himself or even knew my name) was âHey Englishman, you got a lot of problems with (n word)s in England?â What did you say? I hate that assumption that you'll be okay with that kind of thing. It used to happen a lot at bus stops before I got a car and became a public transport snob. Random weirdos saying something contentious under the delusion you won't challenge them, or worse possibly, wanting you to challenge them, and thus deliberately ruining your peace.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 24, 2024 14:26:45 GMT
Itâs genuinely quite amazing how many people still come out with that shit and assume youâll agree.
Itâs usually about diversity or some shit now.
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Post by đ on Mar 24, 2024 14:33:42 GMT
I was honestly so stunned by the brazenness of it, and then the topic changed about three seconds later by my exâs mom, so didnât really respond. It also wasnât the place that I would be changing hearts or minds with debate, and like you suggested it may have been to intentionally provoke conflict, so just made sure the visit was as short as humanly possible.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 24, 2024 14:49:04 GMT
But they're some of the friendliest people you'll ever meet right? Give you the shirt off they're own back.
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Post by simple on Mar 24, 2024 14:58:52 GMT
When I worked public libraries it was a daily occurrence that youâd get different people making comments about non-straight/white/British people. Like literally youâd serve someone with a continental accent or who was black and the next person in the queue behind them would have some dark hint that implied you would agree with them that the others were prevent locals from using these local services.
Even now Iâm in higher education you hear comments being made about who âshouldâ be receiving help/education and you think why are you even working a job like this if thatâs what you think.
We did have to have a conversation about someone being inappropriate in their grilling of an asexual colleague but I think that was more ignorance and a well meaning if completely misplaced sense of boundaries/curiosity.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 24, 2024 15:03:06 GMT
When I worked public libraries it was a daily occurrence that youâd get different people making comments about non-straight/white/British people. Like literally youâd serve someone with a continental accent or who was black and the next person in the queue behind them would have some dark hint that implied you would agree with them that the others were prevent locals from using these local services. Even now Iâm in higher education you hear comments being made about who âshouldâ be receiving help/education and you think why are you even working a job like this if thatâs what you think. We did have to have a conversation about someone being inappropriate in their grilling of an asexual colleague but I think that was more ignorance and a well meaning if completely misplaced sense of boundaries/curiosity. Ahh the old "foreigners are taking all the doctor's appointments" but seem absolutely unable to connect the dots as to whose been in power for the last 14 years.
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Post by rajin on Mar 24, 2024 16:13:20 GMT
I'm saying it from someone from the area, who grew up with one black kid in my secondary school (in a big city) and moved away and came back hoping things had changed. I'm sure moving to Devon would appeal to a lot of people, but maybe one determining factor to not would be how fucking backwards it still is down here. Local pub landlord making jokes about "flied lice" during his pub quiz only months ago is just one example of how things have not changed down here. Surprised you did not do a quick wiki check, its 96% white (not including non british/irish white). So clearly the majority of people there have had little to no interaction with people of colour (explains the persuasive racism). Who knows if in the future asylum centres will come to Devon. Its what happened to my old hometown that now has a 5% population of refugees.
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 24, 2024 18:06:01 GMT
I grew up in Somerset and in our school of about 1000 there were a handful that were non white, there was never any obvious racism.
All the people I used to work with though, who are now mostly in their 60s and 70s and ex military are nearly all very racist and hate foreigners, even though there are hardly any that live in that area and those that are there are no more a problem than the locals.
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Post by rajin on Mar 24, 2024 18:39:17 GMT
I grew up in Somerset and in our school of about 1000 there were a handful that were non white, there was never any obvious racism. All the people I used to work with though, who are now mostly in their 60s and 70s and ex military are nearly all very racist and hate foreigners, even though there are hardly any that live in that area and those that are there are no more a problem than the locals. Often the most racist people are precisely those that have little to no contact with foreigners. My comment before was not intended as a slight to anyone, but I did feel that experiences some people have from living in diverse cities really does not correlate with rural life. I also mean specifically what kind of little contact these people have with those from diverse backgrounds. I went to university and specfically chose two international studies. My contact and my diverse conversations with foreigners would not be likely in a rural setting. There is simply a lack of spaces where this would occur. Currently in my hometown most contact people have with foreigners is with refugees from the asylum centres. And you are unlikely to have conversations with them for a multitude of reasons. Honestly, the only place people here have genuine bonds with foreigners are those that still go to church. This is where you could start a short but meaningfull conversation with a Nigerian, syrian or any other background. This is why I am so pissed off at conservative councils removing any community centre, you need these spaces for social cohesion.
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