The Woke thread AKA Liberal Kaynesplaining

Christ. He's openly saying trans people aren't entitled to human rights as far as the BBC is concerned.

So trans people are an issue not people?

They care more about shitting on trans people than they do about being inclusive to gays.

At least I don't have any qualms about cancelling my TV license now.

Well, I've no empirical evidence but anecdotally, one of the trans persons I know has talked about how she felt confusion over her sexuality as well as her gender before transitioning, so I think there's at least some trans people who would have questioned if they are gay or trans or whatever. Which would suggest some shared experiences.

A girl who I know was lesbian her whole life, but is now a trans man, and is now dating a trans women and taking dick.

It was a bit confusing, but she is now a straight trans man. Is that right?

To be fair the amount of intolerance a lot of gay people have towards bisexuals is higher than it should be too. "Pick a lane" is a refrain my bi friends have heard *a lot* from gay people.


I think some people put a lot of their self identity into their orientation, so when they think it's challenged in some way (i.e. they have a belief that sexuality is a binary thing) or they think others are "doing it wrong" they become militant about their identity and have to make those challenging their beliefs the other. 

Well when you start bringing the classic BBC 'balance' in such an area you're projecting a specific message to that particular audience. Again replace trans with any other minority and you get something like this: "we need to have a conversation about black people, because many people have concerns".

It's fucking reprehensible.

I *can* see how that's tricky, but ultimately its hard to not see it as coming down to not viewing trans women as women.

Playing devils advocate, I think there are also concerns (however misplaced I think they are) when it comes to women's shelters, or women's only gyms and stuff.

Whilst I don't think the concerns hold much water, I can kind of see why that might be more of an issue than toilets... Still comes down to not accepting trans women as women though.

Anyone wanting to ban trans folks from using the bathroom that matches their gender can just fuck off.

Or they're scared they'll all turn into big nymphos with penises flying around the locker room.

I think you need to keep it in milk in case you want it reattached.

I've never heard of a sausage can before. Are they insulated?

WRT bathrooms and whatnot I just came back from Budapest, which is no great place for LGBTQ people, I know, BUT

We went to a thermal bath and I was surprised to see their changing rooms were shared. Or rather, the area where you put your clothes into lockers was shared, then they had one person changing room at one end where you could lock yourself in if you wanted more privacy than a towel can provide.

I found it super convenient. It reminded me of going clubbing in the late 90's and how Fabric in London had a similar set up for their bathrooms. Communal area where you washed your hands and got free samples of stuff from the bathroomguy, and then privat stalls where you did your private stuff.

In some ways I think we've become obsessed with what sex people are assigned at birth. Why is it so fucking important? I mean yes, seeing how women are usually treated worse in most societies it's easy for me (as a cis able bodied straight white male) to be flippant. I can see the value in striving for equity.

But wouldn't it also be a good idea to try and just down prioritise the importance of someones sex, gender, and sexual orientation? Why do we need separate locker rooms? Why do toilets have to be completely divided?

A somehwat prominent feminist in Sweden recently published a book where she argues against parts of the trans thing. I haven't read it, and nor will I, but I saw an interview with her and she had two soundbites she kept repeating, one was that apparently in some study in america they found that a lot of people (I think it was a rather small group though) denied gender correction became gay a few years later and were perfectly satisfied with that. The swede argued that this meant a lot of trans people were actually "just gay people in denial" which I found rather strange. Is transitioning less of a stigma than being gay all of a sudden? No idea.

Her other soundbite was that she was worried that trans women are taking over the feminist movement. The interviewer didn't ask for any examples unfortunately. But it made me think about the whole "let people be people" thing. Are trans women really saying their experience is the exact same as the old fashion assigned at birth women? Aren't they fighting for recognition as human beings on their own terms?

Yeah, my friends boyfriend is a bit dismissive of bi people, calling them 'tourists' because, in his experience, every bi person he has ever met has only ever been in serious relationships with the opposite sex and has just sucked a dick or made out with another girl while they were drunk. 'You girls need bi-visibility because you all have boyfriends' *snap snap*.