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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 20, 2021 15:43:12 GMT
They do sound a bit like someone put that table together for the laugh... A lot are too close to what they're trying to distance themselves from. I can see myself getting in trouble in years to come for calling a coworker "Invader Zim". At least Gir isn't a pronoun. Yet? |
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Post by simple on Oct 20, 2021 15:48:52 GMT
They do sound a bit like someone put that table together for the laugh... A lot are too close to what they're trying to distance themselves from. I can see myself getting in trouble in years to come for calling a coworker "Invader Zim". I try to be as studiously and tediously politically correct as possible and even I make that connection immediately |
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Post by khanivor on Oct 20, 2021 16:31:50 GMT
I wonder how other languages handle gender politics. Especially considering English in unusual in that gender really only applies Ed to pronouns
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Post by 😎 on Oct 20, 2021 16:35:00 GMT
I wonder how other languages handle gender politics. Especially considering English in unusual in that gender really only applies Ed to pronouns There's an interesting discussion about the term "Latinx" there. Broadly speaking, the term has been rejected by Hispanics, leading to some accusations that the term is cultural whitewashing. |
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Post by cubby on Oct 20, 2021 16:36:01 GMT
Yeah if this all makes the French drop genders for everything I'd have a much easier time learning their language. Make everything la!
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Post by dogbot on Oct 20, 2021 16:37:41 GMT
Yeah if this all makes the French drop genders for everything I'd have a much easier time learning their language. Make everything la! Haha, yeah. Having similar issues with gender learning Spanish. Some are obvious (eg, word ends with "a" = feminine), but most aren't. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 20, 2021 16:54:43 GMT
German is a clusterfuck for gendered words. Der, die and das just the start Oh, and to the point about maybe enbies not wanting to use they as it's plural, in German die is both feminine and plural.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 20, 2021 17:05:27 GMT
It's not that unusual really. Some women are offended by Mrs and prefer Ms. Some doctors don't use the title and prefer Mr instead, and I'm sure some would get the hump if you didn't use Dr
I think it's just because it's new and part of an already contentious issue
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Post by dogbot on Oct 20, 2021 17:12:47 GMT
My German has deteriorated to hilariously poor, as I haven't used it in twenty plus years, but I do remember it being so.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 20, 2021 17:14:30 GMT
It's not that unusual really. Some women are offended by Mrs and prefer Ms. Some doctors don't use the title and prefer Mr instead, and I'm sure some would get the hump if you didn't use Dr I think it's just because it's new and part of an already contentious issue I also think titles are a load of crap. Fortunately I rarely ever have to use them; I can't think of the last time I used a title when addressing somebody. |
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Post by cubby on Oct 20, 2021 17:17:26 GMT
It's not that unusual really. Some women are offended by Mrs and prefer Ms. Some doctors don't use the title and prefer Mr instead, and I'm sure some would get the hump if you didn't use Dr I think it's just because it's new and part of an already contentious issue I also think titles are a load of crap. Fortunately I rarely ever have to use them; I can't think of the last time I used a title when addressing somebody. So we should address you as hickman1983 from now on? |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 20, 2021 17:37:12 GMT
When I had a camera up the pee hole, the doctor introduced himself as Mr Lee so I asked him whether he was actually a doctor or just an enthusiastic amateur.
I sometimes wonder if it would have been less painful had I not done that.
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Post by Danno on Oct 20, 2021 18:05:39 GMT
When I had a camera up the pee hole, the doctor introduced himself as Mr Lee so I asked him whether he was actually a doctor or just an enthusiastic amateur. I sometimes wonder if it would have been less painful had I not done that. I thank you for this lesson. Less Sass, Less ARGHSSS |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 20, 2021 19:01:12 GMT
As with most things, it’s something new and really not particularly difficult or troublesome that a vocal minority of the internet (on both sides of the aisle) have really dig their heels in about, leaving the people it genuinely impacts floundering in the middle without much support. See also: the rise in people faking mental disorders on TikTok after genuine sufferers got attention by trying to show what “a day in the life” is. Which simultaneously led to a rise in “all mental disorders are fake” shite from the usual right wing idiots. Hang on... people, sorry, cunts were doing this on the internet for likes? If course they were... Christ. |
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Post by 😎 on Oct 20, 2021 19:07:24 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 20, 2021 19:12:20 GMT
Not subbed to the WSJ but I got the gist. Jesus titty fucking Christ, the internet really wasn't the saviour we thought it would be.
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Post by khanivor on Oct 20, 2021 19:17:13 GMT
I vote that the English speaking world adopts my methods as the rule;
The words dude and folks are considered non-gendered and are applicable to anyone regardless of how they identify or how they refuse to be identified by others.
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Post by RadicalRex on Oct 20, 2021 19:43:50 GMT
I believe made-up pronouns like xim will have a similar fate as the made-up "world language" Esperanto. That has been rendered obsolete by the de facto standard English, and I believe "they" will continue to establish itself as the de facto standard.
And it's not like this hasn't happened before, words change meaning and useage with time. "You" was originally plural, but with time it has supplanted singular and dual forms so that now it's "number-neutral". That's just the normal use of the word for everyone today and no one seems to complain. In the case of "they" we're in a transitional stage, and I expect that for future generations use of "they" for both singular and plural is going to be just as natural as using "you" for singular and plural is to us.
Personally I welcome this, not only for addressing people who identify as non-binary. It also makes it easier especially in the internet, that when I don't know someone's gender, I can just refer to them as "they" instead of "this person" or whatever.
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Post by Vortex on Oct 20, 2021 19:57:10 GMT
When I had a camera up the pee hole, the doctor introduced himself as Mr Lee so I asked him whether he was actually a doctor or just an enthusiastic amateur. I sometimes wonder if it would have been less painful had I not done that. A medical 'Mr' means they want you to know they are a surgeon dontchaknow and not a plebian 'doctor'. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 20, 2021 20:21:35 GMT
I vote that the English speaking world adopts my methods as the rule; The words dude and folks are considered non-gendered and are applicable to anyone regardless of how they identify or how they refuse to be identified by others. Whilst "dude" I guess is still perceived as male gendered, I honestly always thought that folks was applicable to all, it's pretty much what I've always used in place of guys when I've been addressed a mixed gender group. Is "folks" perceived as being gendered?? |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 20, 2021 20:25:27 GMT
I believe made-up pronouns like xim will have a similar fate as the made-up "world language" Esperanto. That has been rendered obsolete by the de facto standard English, and I believe "they" will continue to establish itself as the de facto standard. And it's not like this hasn't happened before, words change meaning and useage with time. "You" was originally plural, but with time it has supplanted singular and dual forms so that now it's "number-neutral". That's just the normal use of the word for everyone today and no one seems to complain. In the case of "they" we're in a transitional stage, and I expect that for future generations use of "they" for both singular and plural is going to be just as natural as using "you" for singular and plural is to us. Personally I welcome this, not only for addressing people who identify as non-binary. It also makes it easier especially in the internet, that when I don't know someone's gender, I can just refer to them as "they" instead of "this person" or whatever. I certainly use "they" in that way already, on t'internet and in work. We have a fair number of international candidates and and it's not always apparent what gender they are so when discussing their query with the wider team I'll just use "they". |
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Post by Danno on Oct 20, 2021 20:25:29 GMT
Hello Cunts.
Works every time, all the time.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 20, 2021 20:29:47 GMT
I actually try to mix up my use of genitalia-as-insults so as to not seem like I'm insulting *because* of their gender. Like I wouldn't call a woman a cunt in case it seems like I'm reducing her to her genitalia, as opposed to calling her out because she's acting in a cuntish manner.
So I'll refer to her as a dick first, or ballbag or something. Then call her a cunt. it balances it out that way.
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Post by Danno on Oct 20, 2021 20:45:21 GMT
FINE
Hello, prolapsed bumholes
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Post by khanivor on Oct 20, 2021 21:13:06 GMT
Cunt is almost on a par with the n word here in the southern states
Which makes it all the more enjoyable to call cunts cunts.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Oct 20, 2021 21:23:14 GMT
Hello Cunts. Works every time, all the time. Would be better if it was preceeded with a "fellow" |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 20, 2021 21:29:46 GMT
Howdiddly doodily fellow cuntarinoes
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Post by Danno on Oct 20, 2021 23:12:22 GMT
Howdiddly doodily fellow cuntarinoes Starting all my posts with this |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 20, 2021 23:49:08 GMT
So the Netflix walkout has happened. Reports say "hundreds" attended it, but I don't think it will be nearly enough to change anyone's minds, unfortunately.
Interestingly, "take the Chappelle special off the air" was not among the list of requests. Which I think is a positive, because it takes the wind out of the whole "cancelling" thing.
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Post by lexw on Oct 21, 2021 1:44:20 GMT
I vote that the English speaking world adopts my methods as the rule; The words dude and folks are considered non-gendered and are applicable to anyone regardless of how they identify or how they refuse to be identified by others. Whilst "dude" I guess is still perceived as male gendered, I honestly always thought that folks was applicable to all, it's pretty much what I've always used in place of guys when I've been addressed a mixed gender group. Is "folks" perceived as being gendered?? Dude is really more about your age group than anything else. Like, there's a certain group of people aged about 30-45 (including me) who are just very prone to saying "Dude" to anyone of any gender, or "dudes" to a mixed-gender group. And a lot of the people who do this are female too! Folks isn't perceived as gender but it does make you sound like you might be a 50-something from Oklahoma, so there's that. I've been experimenting with "y'all" and "all y'all" myself. |
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