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Post by Matt A on Sept 27, 2021 18:36:42 GMT
Okay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 18:45:35 GMT
I genuinely wonder at the mentality of joining a forum aimed at Middle age men discussing computer games purely to post about the evils of transgendered people.
I don't know which is sadder, being a rereg just to make a point, or trawling the net for new forums Just To Ask Questions.
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 27, 2021 18:48:55 GMT
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Post by Sarfrin on Sept 27, 2021 19:12:50 GMT
I just don't get transphobes; why do they feel so threatened by the idea that people might feel fluid when it comes to gender. What fucking difference is it to them? Just let people be and get on with your life. Honestly, this country.. I think they're mainly leftish liberals who secretly want to be racist but would lose all their friends that way so they pick on trans people to get their kicks instead. |
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Post by Sarfrin on Sept 27, 2021 19:15:57 GMT
Absolute nonsense. That's the same flawed logic that claims that women who can't have children are surely not women. You don't have to have a cervix to be female but you can only have a cervix if you ARE female. I'm glad to see that you at least acknowledge trans women are women. It seems needlessly unpleasant to insist trans men have surgery before you'll accept their manhood though. |
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Post by atb82 on Sept 27, 2021 19:18:47 GMT
Absolute nonsense. That's the same flawed logic that claims that women who can't have children are surely not women. You don't have to have a cervix to be female but you can only have a cervix if you ARE female. I'm glad to see that you at least acknowledge trans women are women. It seems needlessly unpleasant to insist trans men have surgery before you'll accept their manhood though. Yeah that's not saying trans women are women. They are men who would prefer to be women but sadly are not. I wish them well though. Where did even mention the manhood of trans men? |
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 27, 2021 19:19:50 GMT
Yeah it's weaponised and wrapped up with the implication that you have to have a cervix to count as female. Absolute nonsense. That's the same flawed logic that claims that women who can't have children are surely not women. You don't have to have a cervix to be female but you can only have a cervix if you ARE female. And that whole "assigned female at birth" thing is ludicrous. Ace, brill you agree with us. |
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Post by Danno on Sept 27, 2021 19:21:29 GMT
Can we just bin this fucking clown already
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 19:22:32 GMT
I just don't get transphobes; why do they feel so threatened by the idea that people might feel fluid when it comes to gender. What fucking difference is it to them? Just let people be and get on with your life. Honestly, this country.. I can understand peoples anxieties about it - gender is part of everyone's identity and, in the case of women, they've faced a lot of adversity and had to fight hard for what they've now got (which still isn't enough) so I don't think instantly dismissing people as TERFs is really helpful. It might not be right, but it's understandable. I think engaging in the way people are in this thread is the best way forward (although I'm not sure it's warranted here) rather than taking up positions TERF is an acronym with Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist which is... how people who had these anxieties used to identify themselves.
Look, we used to call them transphobes, which is a literal translation for "having anxiety about Trans things" and they complained! No amount of political correctness is going to help here.
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Post by Sarfrin on Sept 27, 2021 19:38:30 GMT
Yeah that's not saying trans women are women. They are men who would prefer to be women but sadly are not. I wish them well though. Where did even mention the manhood of trans men? You absolutely don't wish them well or you wouldn't be wasting your time with transphobic trolling on a video games forum. I honestly don't know how pathetic your life must be that this is what you seek out to pass the time. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 27, 2021 19:46:20 GMT
I love that they sought out this forum in the arse end of the internet and registered for the explicit purpose of posting this one thing in this specific thread.
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Post by suicida on Sept 27, 2021 19:47:28 GMT
Linehan must be really bored now his wife left him
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 19:48:15 GMT
*Pikachu; his face surprised* Biological facts, the idea that the only people that can have a cervix are female = transphobia? Whoa that's a pretty bold statement. But you may wish to note that the claim is not "Only biological females can have cervixes" but "only women can have cervixes", which is a little bit different. That goes into some rather deep and complicated cultural issue of how we define being a woman (or any gender), and specifically about how a lot of people are very much opposed to other people defining what being <gender> means to them.
Ofc. when it comes to biology we should probably also consider that biology doesn't operate on a binary definition of "Male" and "Female" but is rather a system that creates an infinite set of outcomes (last time I checked, around 7 billion permutations in humans alone) so that's where we get stuff like intersex people or the constant agonizing over Caster Semenya's olympic records. As the cool kids say: Biology doesn't subscribe to your narrative.
So you'd expect a secretary of health to actually be somewhat aware of these issues (especially wrt how we treat intersex children without their consent) and not to play culture war to score some sort of political points or "virtue signalling" or whatever the fuck it's called nowadays.
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 27, 2021 19:49:40 GMT
I love that they sought out this forum in the arse end of the internet and registered for the explicit purpose of posting this one thing in this specific thread. And we all know it's just a tedious smelly old sock from the EG forums. Utterly pathetic. |
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 19:51:30 GMT
I for one think it's incredibly funny and this gives me great joy. I somehow suspect that over the next couple of hours we're going to get some sort of shout of "echo chamber" or "safe space" or "narrative" whilst we get the ocasional one-liner that's a clear cut indication that the poster hasn't thought their line of thinking through. Someone get out the bingo cards  |
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 27, 2021 19:57:48 GMT
Personally I feel that our systemic misandrist culture continues to perpetuate the deplorable historic racism suffered by white, heterosexual, educated, middle-class men. It is truly an existential threat and undoubtedly the greatest problem facing Western society today.
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 20:04:26 GMT
Personally I feel that our systemic misandrist culture continues to perpetuate the deplorable historic racism suffered by white, heterosexual, educated, middle-class men. It is truly an existential threat and undoubtedly the greatest problem facing Western society today. Well how do you propose we resolve this issue? |
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 27, 2021 20:06:36 GMT
I find punching down at minorities helps immeasurably.
The old forelock tug to my betters also relieves some anxiety.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 20:10:46 GMT
I can understand peoples anxieties about it - gender is part of everyone's identity and, in the case of women, they've faced a lot of adversity and had to fight hard for what they've now got (which still isn't enough) so I don't think instantly dismissing people as TERFs is really helpful. It might not be right, but it's understandable. I think engaging in the way people are in this thread is the best way forward (although I'm not sure it's warranted here) rather than taking up positions TERF is an acronym with Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist which is... how people who had these anxieties used to identify themselves.
Look, we used to call them transphobes, which is a literal translation for "having anxiety about Trans things" and they complained! No amount of political correctness is going to help here.
Not all transphobia comes from radical feminists though. At this point it really just seems like an insult or a label to throw at people. |
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Post by Danno on Sept 27, 2021 20:14:03 GMT
TERF is an acronym with Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist which is... how people who had these anxieties used to identify themselves.
Look, we used to call them transphobes, which is a literal translation for "having anxiety about Trans things" and they complained! No amount of political correctness is going to help here.
Not all transphobia comes from radical feminists though. At this point it really just seems like an insult or a label to throw at people. The radical part could be misplaced in some cases, such is the way of convenient acronyms. It's generally pretty accurate otherwise. In any event, the "not your business, why so upset" adage holds true regardless of the label. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 20:16:05 GMT
I see the Health Secretary is getting all transphobey. JFC *Pikachu; his face surprised* *Temba; his arms open* |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 27, 2021 20:26:54 GMT
Shaka, when the walls fell.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 20:27:03 GMT
Not all transphobia comes from radical feminists though. At this point it really just seems like an insult or a label to throw at people. The radical part could be misplaced in some cases, such is the way of convenient acronyms. It's generally pretty accurate otherwise. In any event, the "not your business, why so upset" adage holds true regardless of the label. Get rid of the "not your business" part and it's a perfectly reasonable question. I'm talking about your everyday average person whose only exposure to transgenderism is when there's a story in the news. You think every person who has anxieties about trans issues cares about feminism? This is the issue I have with grouping people. There aren't just people who are for and against it but anyone in the middle gets called a TERF anyway
For the record, I have no issues with trans or gender fluidity. I have an issue with labels
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Post by atb82 on Sept 27, 2021 20:29:37 GMT
Absolute nonsense. That's the same flawed logic that claims that women who can't have children are surely not women. You don't have to have a cervix to be female but you can only have a cervix if you ARE female. And that whole "assigned female at birth" thing is ludicrous. Ace, brill you agree with us. No. I really don't. I notice you didn't bold the second part of that line. Funny that. Do you think Eddie Izzard is a woman? |
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Post by atb82 on Sept 27, 2021 20:32:06 GMT
I love that they sought out this forum in the arse end of the internet and registered for the explicit purpose of posting this one thing in this specific thread. But posting in another thread or indeed posting anything you agreed with would have been ok? |
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Post by Matt A on Sept 27, 2021 20:32:38 GMT
See, you have moved from biological facts and evolved to what we all thought before you got there. Do you think Eddie izzard is a woman?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 20:35:19 GMT
atb knows exactly what he's doing and everyone else knows exactly what he's doing and we all know how this ends
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Post by atb82 on Sept 27, 2021 20:36:05 GMT
See, you have moved from biological facts and evolved to what we all thought before you got there. Do you think Eddie izzard is a woman? Do you think Eddie is a woman? I bet you don't. |
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 27, 2021 20:36:06 GMT
I love that they sought out this forum in the arse end of the internet and registered for the explicit purpose of posting this one thing in this specific thread. But posting in another thread or indeed posting anything you agreed with would have been ok? Coming onto a niche gaming site populated mainly by middle-aged nerds, which you have presumably found or been directed to from EG or RPS, and engaging with one of the many threads relating to gaming or games culture more generally rather than jumping in with two feet, and in a deliberately provocative manner, into this thread would have been far more normal and less suspicious, yes. Though I can't quite place your sock, yet. So good work, I guess. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 27, 2021 20:39:38 GMT
To be honest the term TERF is used too much, some transphobes are just straight up misogynistic, but get labelled TERFs regardless.
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