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Post by atb82 on Sept 27, 2021 20:39:43 GMT
But posting in another thread or indeed posting anything you agreed with would have been ok? Coming onto a niche gaming site populated mainly by middle-aged nerds, which you have presumably found or been directed to from EG or RPS, and engaging with one of the many threads relating to gaming or games culture more generally rather than jumping in with two feet, and in a deliberately provocative manner, into this thread would have been far more normal and less suspicious, yes. Though I can't quite place your sock, yet. So good work, I guess. Suspicious? Surely you can post anything you like? I took issue with the assertion that stating biological facts is transphobic. Because it isn't. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 27, 2021 20:42:13 GMT
And I shouldn't engage with such an obvious sock, but I'm more than happy to think of Eddie as She and Her. She's an interesting case, as she's described herself as gender fluid rather than explicitly female.
A better example would be Elliot Page, maybe, who I do now consider male. A male born with a cervix, at that.
Goddamn edits, I need to proof read before hitting send.
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Post by retro74 on Sept 27, 2021 20:43:02 GMT
Are you a transphobe though atb82 ? Be honest |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 27, 2021 20:43:36 GMT
I love that they sought out this forum in the arse end of the internet and registered for the explicit purpose of posting this one thing in this specific thread. But posting in another thread or indeed posting anything you agreed with would have been ok? 🙄 |
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 20:43:52 GMT
TERF is an acronym with Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist which is... how people who had these anxieties used to identify themselves.
Look, we used to call them transphobes, which is a literal translation for "having anxiety about Trans things" and they complained! No amount of political correctness is going to help here.
Not all transphobia comes from radical feminists though. At this point it really just seems like an insult or a label to throw at people. The thing is that someone like, say, JK Rowling does call herself a feminist, and her feminism is definitely trans exclusionary. I realize not everyone fits the label, but it's also just... at what point are we allowed to call a spade a spade? I suppose "Gender Critical" is a preferred term by people who don't like transgender people very much, but that also has some different connotations and people who are critical of how our current society looks at gender may find it insulting to be compared to people who have an extremely reductive view of gender.
That's kinda the issue there: Yes, labels are reductive, but at some point you do have to group a few people who say similar things together for the ease of the conversation (this whole "debate" is about gender labels!). In a lot of ways, branding a certain term, even if it's initially neutral or even positive (like TERF) as something that's an insult also allows the people who said label applies to to control the conversation. And I can also see why people aren't really willing to give that control away to people who are eager to control other aspects of their lives (like gender expression).
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 27, 2021 20:44:38 GMT
Do you frequently sign-up to random niche forums on the arse-end of the internet to take umbrage at a comment made in the 'off topic' subsection and dedicate all your maiden posts to that?
It's just like that time I noticed some prick kicking off about the appropriate water to paint ratio for new platerwork on the non-official esoteric works of Aleister Crowley sub-reddit.
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 20:46:53 GMT
I took issue with the assertion that stating biological facts is transphobic. Because it isn't. It's true, stating biological facts is not transphobic.
The issue is in fact that what is being stated are not biological facts, and that these statements are made in service of transphobia.
I hope by pointing this out to you again you will finally read it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 27, 2021 20:47:07 GMT
I'm surprised no one's dropped the 'legitimate concerns' for the proper bad faith bingo.
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 27, 2021 20:47:51 GMT
We're all too busy just asking questions, Jambo!
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 20:54:33 GMT
We're all too busy just asking questions, Jambo! What TV show were you in? |
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Post by atb82 on Sept 27, 2021 20:55:58 GMT
And I shouldn't engage with such an obvious sock, but I'm more than happy to think of Eddie as She and Her. She's an interesting case, as she's described herself as gender fluid rather than explicitly female. A better example would be Elliot Page, maybe, who I do now consider male. A male born with a cervix, at that. Goddamn edits, I need to proof read before hitting send. Eddie is a woman who is happy to jump back to being a man when it suits. He's just taking the piss. Elliot Paige is not a male born with a cervix because such a thing is impossible. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 27, 2021 20:56:31 GMT
We're all too busy just asking questions, Jambo! Apologies, I'm just a concerned forumite posting his legitimate concerns. |
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 27, 2021 20:58:42 GMT
I dunno, man. There were a lot of drugs involved.  |
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Post by atb82 on Sept 27, 2021 20:59:12 GMT
I'm surprised no one's dropped the 'legitimate concerns' for the proper bad faith bingo. Bad faith bingo indeed. Here is one for legitimate concerns. Is it concerning that women who have been raped by men who identify as women are obliged to refer to their rapists as "she" in court if that is the preferred pronouns of the rapist? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 21:01:47 GMT
In your hypothetical situation, I think they'd be a lot more concerned with the fact that they've been raped than by which pronoun to refer to their abuser.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 27, 2021 21:02:10 GMT
Is this supposed to be some gotcha moment because I don't think it's the slam dunk you think it is. Tell you what, after the forum has mocked your posts, mods altered your forum name and then banned you, re-register and try something a bit more substantial you absolute fadge packet.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 27, 2021 21:02:24 GMT
And I shouldn't engage with such an obvious sock, but I'm more than happy to think of Eddie as She and Her. She's an interesting case, as she's described herself as gender fluid rather than explicitly female. A better example would be Elliot Page, maybe, who I do now consider male. A male born with a cervix, at that. Goddamn edits, I need to proof read before hitting send. Eddie is a woman who is happy to jump back to being a man when it suits. He's just taking the piss. Elliot Paige is not a male born with a cervix because such a thing is impossible. Well, sounds like you're denying his gender then, which is a bit transphobic. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 21:02:40 GMT
I'm surprised no one's dropped the 'legitimate concerns' for the proper bad faith bingo. Bad faith bingo indeed. Here is one for legitimate concerns. Is it concerning that women who have been raped by men who identify as women are obliged to refer to their rapists as "she" in court if that is the preferred pronouns of the rapist? I would suspect what pronouns they use is of less conern than the fact they raped them |
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Post by Lukus on Sept 27, 2021 21:03:25 GMT
I'm surprised no one's dropped the 'legitimate concerns' for the proper bad faith bingo. Bad faith bingo indeed. Here is one for legitimate concerns. Is it concerning that women who have been raped by men who identify as women are obliged to refer to their rapists as "she" in court if that is the preferred pronouns of the rapist? This seems like a very, very niche scenario. Are you thinking of any particular case? |
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Post by atb82 on Sept 27, 2021 21:05:56 GMT
Bad faith bingo indeed. Here is one for legitimate concerns. Is it concerning that women who have been raped by men who identify as women are obliged to refer to their rapists as "she" in court if that is the preferred pronouns of the rapist? I would suspect what pronouns they use is of less conern than the fact they raped them It wasn't when Chris Chan raped his 80 year old mother and the woke twitter mob seemed more affronted by him being referred to as "he" than what he'd done. That's genuinely disturbing. |
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Post by 😎 on Sept 27, 2021 21:06:29 GMT
This place, much like EG before it, is generally left leaning liberal woke. If it’s not just a troll account made to “own the libs” then it’s instead a classic case of “read the room, for fucks sake”
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 21:07:16 GMT
I would suspect what pronouns they use is of less conern than the fact they raped them It wasn't when Chris Chan raped his 80 year old mother and the woke twitter mob seemed more affronted by him being referred to as "he" than what he'd done. That's genuinely disturbing. Excuse me, but I like to think that we're having a conversation with eachother in this thread, and not some hypothethical twitter mob that reacts to whatever comes out of kiwifarms this month. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 27, 2021 21:07:30 GMT
I would suspect what pronouns they use is of less conern than the fact they raped them It wasn't when Chris Chan raped his 80 year old mother and the woke twitter mob seemed more affronted by him being referred to as "he" than what he'd done. That's genuinely disturbing. That didn't happen though, keep clutching at those strawmen. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 27, 2021 21:08:03 GMT
I would suspect what pronouns they use is of less conern than the fact they raped them It wasn't when Chris Chan raped his 80 year old mother and the woke twitter mob seemed more affronted by him being referred to as "he" than what he'd done. That's genuinely disturbing. You're right. We should just get rid of all this silly transgender stuff |
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 21:10:26 GMT
I do enjoy how we've suddenly moved from the statements made by the Health Secretary of the United Kingdom to some kiwifarms shenanigans. That de-escalated quite quickly, and this person hasn't even bothered to engage with the good faith points made about the very subject that kicked off this tangent!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 27, 2021 21:10:27 GMT
From what I remember what happens on Twitter is definitely what happens in a court of law. That's still true isn't it guys?
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 21:11:16 GMT
From what I remember what happens on Twitter is definitely what happens in a court of law. That's still true isn't it guys? If the statements are made by a member of a government it is cause for concern regardless of platform. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 27, 2021 21:13:55 GMT
From what I remember what happens on Twitter is definitely what happens in a court of law. That's still true isn't it guys? If the statements are made by a member of a government it is cause for concern regardless of platform. I'm referring more to that absolute cunt on this thread. |
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Post by grizzly on Sept 27, 2021 21:18:07 GMT
If the statements are made by a member of a government it is cause for concern regardless of platform. I'm referring more to that absolute offal pouch on this thread.
So basically they're not really worth taking into consideration any further are they? We're just here to have fun at their expense, but I just wanted to make a bit of a serious point. I have encountered people who genuinely believed that Twitter statements were idiotic by any stretch of the imagination, even when I was linking to twitter statements made by the president of the united states to point out that the president of the united states had said those exact things.
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Post by 😎 on Sept 27, 2021 21:24:08 GMT
I know it’ll just feed into the constructed narrative about leftist safe space echo chambers and so on, but eh, it’s obviously a bad faith troll so they’re gone. Let’s move on.
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