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Post by britesparc on Nov 1, 2021 15:28:20 GMT
drhickman1983Yeah TBH I quite like the idea of games like this having a definitive "end", although keeping the open world open afterwards is tricky as players normally like to dick about. For me, it was just that I'd picked up some cool gear and upgrades that I now have to reacquire. Not too big a deal I guess. I really, really loved the way Mass Effect 3 dealt with this issue. After the "final mission" and the death of Shepherd, it cuts to an old man (voiced by Buzz Aldrin!) telling the story to their grandchild, and the kid basically says "Are there any more stories?" so the man says "Oh yes, a few," and then you get dropped back into the world to mop up side-quests. So if you like you could either view the events as taking place before the "final mission" or even just made-up stories.
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Post by wizbob on Nov 27, 2021 16:19:24 GMT
I was reading about the recent sales and review bumps and something struck me about the people leaving bitter reviews.
It's not the bugs or the missions that bother them, it's the fact that the open world doesn't meet their fantasy.
Obviously CDPR oversold this aspect but it's sad that so many people thought they could actually subsume their actual lives to a Cyberpunk virtual world.
I thought Night City was one of the best realised virtual worlds I've seen (admittedly open world isn't really my thing) but it's always going to be a hollow experience compared to the real world. No More Heroes satirised this very effectively decades ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 16:27:09 GMT
I gave up on it because it was a broken piece of shit, not because I thought it was going to be a new life for me.
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Post by š on Nov 27, 2021 16:30:36 GMT
For me personally it was a multitude of things.
* Misuse of the original RPG license to the extent where they might as well have just used a fresh IP
* Heavily underworked character mechanics
* Sheer lack of personality. Everything looked nice but felt flat and soulless
* Substantive lack of actual RPG elements
* Heavily cut content (we basically only have one lifepathās worth of content, the other two were removed and basically boiled down to flavour text)
* Lack of proper customization, the way stats were arbitrarily tied to outfits and lack of decent crafting meant you often looked like a ghetto cosplayer
* The game was just way way way too easy and poorly balanced, at least on launch. Some of the story weapons you get might as well have been god mode cheats.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 27, 2021 16:35:37 GMT
A year since release and I still haven't seen one of these defensive comments that doesn't come across as extremely disingenuous with huge undertones of gaslighting. Somehow it's our fault the multi million dollar corporation made a broken piece of crap, sold it at full price and we noticed it.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 27, 2021 16:47:07 GMT
I haven't played it because there's a stat called Cool and I can't think of anything less cool
The Fallouts offers a decent world to get lost in. I'm sure there are others
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Post by jellyhead on Nov 27, 2021 17:00:35 GMT
I understand it was a mess on console but i played it on PC and really enjoyed it. Didn't encounter any totally heinous game breaking bugs at least none that aren't in other massive AAA open world games like Bethesda etc.
Will probably replay it again over the christmas hols.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 27, 2021 17:15:16 GMT
I'm really enjoying GTA San Andreas Definitive at the moment but I wouldn't for one second try and tell someone else they are playing it wrong if they are finding it to be a busted pile of wank.
Sometimes you've got to be happy with how you've spent your money without needing affirmation from absolutely everyone else about it.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 27, 2021 17:26:00 GMT
I thought you were the #1 Cyberpunk 2077 fan. Am I not bengalibengali
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 27, 2021 17:43:44 GMT
Trust me, this will all be sorted when that PS5 version hits the shelves seven years from now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 21:50:07 GMT
I understand it was a mess on console but i played it on PC and really enjoyed it. Didn't encounter any totally heinous game breaking bugs at least none that aren't in other massive AAA open world games like Bethesda etc. Will probably replay it again over the christmas hols. Yeah same. I loved it. I think I had 1 bug where a car got stuck in a wall. I had a million more in GTA 4 and 5 than cyberpunk. But that's just on a good pc. Sounds like consoles were shafted. #pcmasterrace |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 21:52:51 GMT
I agree it's too easy though. On my 2nd run I turned the difficulty up and it's still a breeze.
Also why in games can you shoot someone at point blank with a Mega Uzi Cannon +7, with a full clip in their head, and they don't die. It's so fucking dumb.
One hit kill mode on Goldeneye was the sauce. They nailed it way back when.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 22:26:46 GMT
It was the completely broken AI that ruined it for me which was universal across all platforms. Maybe the master race is just more used to playing unpolished half arsed shit like this.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Nov 27, 2021 22:31:23 GMT
I just wish I could turn back time so I could not play an open world game like an open world game so I could have understood the subtle genius that lay underneath.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 27, 2021 22:33:58 GMT
To be fair to the game, whenever I see screenshots of it running on high end PCs it does look average
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 23:20:15 GMT
It looks absolutely gorgeous on my 2080.
Get a solid 70-80fps and 144hz. Genuinely one of the nicest looking games I've ever played.
I don't recall the AI being that bad. Not broken anyway. I suppose the police are rubbish.
I really didn't like how every enemy was a massive bullet sponge, but that's more of a balance issue.
Also the story sucks. I really wasn't interested in any of it. But I would say that of about 90% of games I play and about 100% of the "AAA" ones.
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Post by aubergine on Nov 28, 2021 1:31:58 GMT
I played it at launch on a very recent PS4 Pro (without the noisy fan issues) and had a great time with it. Encountered a bug that forced a reload maybe twice? One was when a garage door failed to open during a scripted car chase and my car launched into space then crashed into a skyscraper, which was glorious to happen once, and the other was probably just a standard crash to desktop.
I traded it in the minute I was done and just bought it digitally for AU$35, now Iām hanging out for this PS5 to materialise so I can play it again. If you look at CDPRās history of fixing their fucked games post launch - every Witcher game has significant or even massive overhauls - Iād be surprised if the next time I play Cyberpunk I donāt enjoy it as much or more.
I wouldnāt argue with anyone that wanted to suggest that they might have been better off releasing it as a next-gen launch game, but the idea thatās itās not even a good game is just nonsense.
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Post by MolarAmšµ on Nov 28, 2021 1:42:50 GMT
My 9-year-old nephew recently asked me if I'd played Cyberpunk, and if I could harass his parents to let him play it. Nfi who told him about it, but I imagine he heard that it was like GTA.
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Post by harriselhoff on Nov 28, 2021 1:44:50 GMT
Maybe heād heard itās similar to the gta remasters in its level of polish
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 28, 2021 2:03:27 GMT
I spent some time with it the last two nights, and while they have improved a lot of stuff, there are still things about it that are broken since launch day. Some of it is relatively minor stuff that doesn't break immersion too badly, others do impact the gameplay.
Improvements:
Inventory thumbnails have been updated, most of the grenades now look very different there and it's easier to tell most of them apart.
Vexelstrom Radio doesn't constantly play Resist & Disorder to the exclusion of other songs anymore.
During the "Friendship With Jackie Montage" after the intro, V wasn't an armless naked torso when looking in the mirror anymore.
Bugs still present:
During the mission to rescue the Buddhist monk from the Maelstrom gangers, if you choose to please the monk and his brother by going the non-lethal route, you absolutely cannot hide the unconscious bodies of any gangers you knock out inside a container, because the game for some reason decides this is a lethal move. Also during the same mission, one of the gangers was somehow able to spot me through two solid walls.
During the Corpo intro, when picking up the wad of cash Jenkins hands you, after the conversation ended I turned around to see the cash hovering in mid-air above the table.
When parking your car outside Mistys' shop on your way to see Viktor, it still floats several feet above ground when you return to it.
Still seeing NPCs occasionally T-posing.
Still unable to pick up certain items because they appear to have been placed in a way where they clipped through the floor/surface they were on.
Like I say, a lot of these are just very, very minor issues, but after this many proper patches and hotfixes, and all the incremental little few-hundred kilobyte updates the game has had through Steam lately, I was suprised to find a lot of them still present.
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Post by aubergine on Nov 28, 2021 2:24:51 GMT
What platform is that on?
I was kind of disappointed that I never got to see the infamous T-posing.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 28, 2021 2:37:22 GMT
What platform is that on? I've been playing it on PC, although I will say my experience of it on Xbox One when it first came out was far, far worse.
EDIT:
Located some of my old bug screenshots from last year.
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Post by aubergine on Nov 28, 2021 3:53:14 GMT
Yeah Iām glad that I played it on PS4 Pro and not a base console.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Nov 28, 2021 7:34:38 GMT
When I played it around February this year, on PC, genuinely came across very few bugs. No more so than any other game I've played.
I just really enjoyed the characters and story. As far as I'm concerned it's up there with The Witcher 3 and Bioware's best.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:58:15 GMT
I just like stealing a cop car and going around doing the police missions. That's pretty much all I do. The main missions and story I found really dull.
The city is amazing. It's similar to GTA5 where it just blows me away the amount of detail to build that kind of sandbox.
Having grown up on c64 games, that sort of thing never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by mothercruncher on Nov 28, 2021 11:06:04 GMT
If I had a penny for every time someone pointed out āit was fine on PCā Iād have, well, about 76 pence. And that would be about 73 pence too much let me tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 17:21:12 GMT
Played the PS4 version on PS5. It was the buggiest shit I've ever played, but still enjoyed it. I never fell too deep into the hype, which helps. In my mind, it was just going to be Deus Ex on a bigger scale. And honestly, Deus Ex, particularly the Eidos Montreal ones, do a lot of things better. But the story here goes in more interesting places than those do, so I really got sucked into it. But as a game, it's flawed. Especially the combat. No matter what you do, you're going to get spotted, so just toss stealth directly out the window. You're going to want to just run in with AR and a katana to everything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 17:23:14 GMT
Yeah trying to stealth around certain sections seems basically impossible. Sometimes the enemy placements and lack of distractions forbid it.
Everything does seem to devolve into a WW3 shoot out fairly quickly.
Stealth must be my most despised gaming mechanic so I'm happy with shooting the shit out of everything.
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Post by š on Nov 30, 2021 15:45:47 GMT
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Post by lexw on Nov 30, 2021 17:31:37 GMT
Doesn't surprise me re: GOG, I got all the old games I actually wanted from them in the first few years, and after that they were just a site with a limited selection of mainstream and indie games which were theoretically DRM-free*.
Then they decided to add in weird pandering to the alt-right stuff (not only their community, but shit with the Twitter and so on too), and whilst I never made any conscious decision to "boycott" them or something, I just found it was another reason to not even bother to check if they had something.
As for 2077, I enjoyed it on PC at release, honestly liked it a hell of a lot better than Witcher 3 which is heresy I know. It had tons of graphical or physics glitches but relatively few actual bugs I encountered - far fewer actual bugs than early FO:NV or Skyrim at release, let alone, say, Pathfinder: Kingmaker, which even two years after release still had infinite-load, save-corruption, and a ton of crash bugs - and was more riddled with actual bugs at release than every Bethesda game put together.
Really hoping they do some good and hopefully big expansions for it. It'll never be the game they hyped before release (esp. 2+ years before release), but I wasn't expecting it to be, which probably helped a lot.
* = Something I will probably care about in a decade after Steam gets sold to Tencent or whoever literally minutes after Gabe retires and be kicking myself over, but has near-zero implications right now.
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