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Post by Whizzo on Jan 9, 2023 20:35:19 GMT
I'm not sure who Army of the Dead was made for other than Netflix and maybe zombies themselves. After the fun intro it's fucking dreadful.
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Post by zephro on Jan 9, 2023 22:52:52 GMT
The 300 was fucking shite at the time and is shite now, ditto Watchmen.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 10, 2023 13:41:30 GMT
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Post by kal on Jan 12, 2023 17:48:41 GMT
What is it about Snyder that has geeks almost permanently discussing how much they either adore or despise him?
For me he’s in a very similar boat to someone like Tim Burton. His style is so overtly stamped on everything that it will either be fantastic (if you like the style) or it will ruin the film for you. You can’t just enjoy the film for what it is. You are watching a Snyder/Burton film and you are not going to forget it for 2 hours.
For what it’s worth while I sort of get the hate I’d still take the likes of Snyder or Burton over any generic action film guy. They are at least trying to bring something to the table.
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Post by Happenstance on Jan 12, 2023 17:55:26 GMT
For me, while I don't particularly like Snyder's films and think they're all style over substance it's his fans I hate, not him. The Release the Snyder Cut stuff was really obnoxious.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2023 18:12:50 GMT
My take on Snyder is that if he steps back from having absolute creative control over everything and just does the cinematography, he could create something amazing, because despite the derision, as kal said he really does have a unique and expressive style. Just don’t have him direct or write it.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2023 18:14:48 GMT
The biggest thing I can’t stand with Snyder is his use of slo mo and then so many other directors doing the same thing, usually because they just want to show off their SFX or because it’s so badly directed that it’s the only way you can tell what’s going on. It’s rare that it’s a good thing.
The tone of the films he makes usually feel like he’s stood there shouting it’s all so cool all the way through making it. I bet he says bro all the time too.
He has issues with the scripts and stories being complete bobbins but that’s a different issue entirely.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2023 18:19:22 GMT
My take on Snyder is that if he steps back from having absolute creative control over everything and just does the cinematography, he could create something amazing, because despite the derision, as all said he really does have a unique and expressive style. Just don’t have him direct or write it. Larry Fong is his cinematographer on just about everything, not him so I’m not sure I’d say he should do the cinematography. Maybe Larry should just get more credit for how the films look. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 12, 2023 18:19:33 GMT
Wednesday was quite interesting in that respect. Burton exec produced and directed half the episodes but seemingly dialled it right back to the point that if you didn’t know, you’d think the tone was only lightly inspired by him. You would be hard pressed to tell which episodes he did and didn’t do.
The sonnenfeld movies probably feel more Burtonesque, weirdly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 18:19:41 GMT
He has issues with the scripts and stories being complete bobbins but that’s a different issue entirely. That’s what matters most to me. I’m okay with his films looking like slow motion watercolor vomit. It’s the dumb stories and general mood that bother me. I remember liking Watchmen when it came out (never rewatched it). His Dawn of the Dead was cool too. It was when he created a property all on his own, with Sucker Punch, that I soured on him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 18:19:52 GMT
I quite like his visual style. The problem is he makes really shit films. That fucking zombie thing on Netflix was the biggest pile of shit I've sat through for a good while.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 18:21:20 GMT
Even wine and a spliff couldn't make that film enjoyable.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 12, 2023 18:24:39 GMT
The sonnenfeld movies probably feel more Burtonesque, weirdly. When they first announced Wednesday, my first thought was that Burton was treating it as an extension/soft reboot of his own movies. It actually took me quite a while to remember he had absolutely nothing to do with them. |
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Post by Onny on Jan 12, 2023 18:32:50 GMT
I’d just really like a good Superman movie. Where he’s an inspirational, hopeful figure. And we got 3 pretty shit films. So I suppose I blame him for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 18:34:47 GMT
Hopefully starring someone who's acting range goes beyond looking mildly constipated.
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Post by nazo on Jan 12, 2023 19:08:53 GMT
For me, while I don't particularly like Snyder's films and think they're all style over substance it's his fans I hate, not him. The Release the Snyder Cut stuff was really obnoxious. The most annoying part is that The Snyder Cut was actually better than the awful theatrical release, which just empowered them more. Take off the extended epilogue and it wasn't even that long by blockbuster standards. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 19:10:50 GMT
I mean, I found both versions pretty terrible to be honest. At least I didn't grow a beard watching the theatrical release.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 19:12:34 GMT
It was a lot better. Went from a 3/10 to a 6/10
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Post by Happenstance on Jan 12, 2023 19:13:34 GMT
For me, while I don't particularly like Snyder's films and think they're all style over substance it's his fans I hate, not him. The Release the Snyder Cut stuff was really obnoxious. The most annoying part is that The Snyder Cut was actually better than the awful theatrical release, which just empowered them more. Take off the extended epilogue and it wasn't even that long by blockbuster standards. It was definitely better than Whedon's version but I still wouldn't call it a good movie. Ranking his DCEU movies I would probably go: Man of Steel Batman v Superman Justice League.
Hard choice between the last two but I enjoyed Wonder Woman in BvS and thought Ben Affleck did a good job as Batman. |
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Post by zephro on Jan 12, 2023 19:15:00 GMT
It should be said I fucking loathe the 300 comic the movie is based on, but considering the movie just glamourises the whole thing it makes it more repellent if anything. Though some of that may be the fans afterwards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 19:21:23 GMT
Yeah, I think Frank Miller kind of created one of the worst subsets of comic book fandom.
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Post by kal on Jan 12, 2023 19:22:40 GMT
I happen to think the Snyder cut is very good. I’d even say it’s excellent. It’s certainly not for everyone but it captures something about the nature of comics that no other film has done, or perhaps more accurately, no other film has wanted to do because it would alienate at least 90% of people. My suspicion is that it will age much better than a lot of the MCU stuff and be one of those films that gets much higher rated with time.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2023 19:42:28 GMT
I’m not sure how anyone can say Affleck was good. I know he has nothing to work with and he seems like he should be good but there’s nothing in any of those films that makes me think he’s a bright light in shit that’s performed then the script should have allowed him.
He’s fine but there’s nothing there.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2023 19:46:56 GMT
I happen to think the Snyder cut is very good. I’d even say it’s excellent. It’s certainly not for everyone but it captures something about the nature of comics that no other film has done, or perhaps more accurately, no other film has wanted to do because it would alienate at least 90% of people. My suspicion is that it will age much better than a lot of the MCU stuff and be one of those films that gets much higher rated with time. Of Justice league? I think a big problem is that it was supposed to be film length but it was apparently written and directed originally as if it was going to be about 6 hours long which brings all sorts of issues. The Whedon version is abysmal though so anything was going to be better than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 19:47:48 GMT
I liked him in that one scene where Bruce and Clark meet at the party.
That’s it though.
But honestly, I like his look as Batman more than anything. Like when I look at Bruce Wayne in the Paul Dini cartoon, Affleck is just the person I picture, from the jawline to the height and muscles.
But that’s a big part of these films’ problems, Snyder cast almost purely based on looks.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 12, 2023 19:58:15 GMT
You’ve got to credit the theatrical cut with being the thing that seems to have made people finally have enough of Joss Whedon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 20:03:42 GMT
The warehouse scene was pretty good.
It's a actually the only thing I can remember out of 146 hours of Snyder DC films. Oh and Superman snapping that guys neck. And Batman in the desert for some reason.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 12, 2023 20:26:44 GMT
The MoS trailer was good
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 12, 2023 20:28:10 GMT
I happen to think the Snyder cut is very good. I’d even say it’s excellent. It’s certainly not for everyone but it captures something about the nature of comics that no other film has done, or perhaps more accurately, no other film has wanted to do because it would alienate at least 90% of people. My suspicion is that it will age much better than a lot of the MCU stuff and be one of those films that gets much higher rated with time. I'm going to have really disagree there. It's perma grimdark tone really misses the point and feels stuck in the 90s mindset especially as I feel Snyder doesn't get Superman as a character. It's excessively indulgent running time alone is already a big handicap. My suspicion is that it will be readily forgotten come Gunn's tenure. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 12, 2023 20:32:11 GMT
Snyder cut is solid.
Mentioned before that if a few scenes had been cut and the nightmare scene not added it would have recieved even more positive feedback(it reviewed very well).
Other than that cut the slow mo by about 20 minutes and just pick 2 or 3 shots that could justify some slowdown.
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