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Mar 1, 2022 10:47:58 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 1, 2022 10:47:58 GMT
I’m happy to watch a long film at the cinema if it’s good, I’m never going to be able to find 3 hours uninterrupted when at home to enjoy it properly. Even 2 hours is a challenge these days.
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Mar 1, 2022 10:52:33 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 1, 2022 10:52:33 GMT
Batman reviews are... interesting. Mostly great, but a fair few less so. Rating wise they seem mostly similar to Dark Knight, with most of the negative ones saying it’s not fun enough and it’s too serious. I get that’s what some people want but it’s not really rating the film on its own merits. It’s like going to see a thriller and complaining it’s not funny enough. It’s not what the film is and the marketing is clear that’s what it is.
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Mar 1, 2022 10:59:19 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Mar 1, 2022 10:59:19 GMT
With a film that length you really need to have multiple pee/refreshment breaks. I'd much rather wait for the home release where I can just pause it. LOTR trilogy in the cinema at least had an intermission.
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Mar 1, 2022 11:00:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 11:00:46 GMT
How many times you peeing in 3 hours?
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Mar 1, 2022 11:05:21 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Mar 1, 2022 11:05:21 GMT
We tend to have a meal and a few drinks before a film, and maybe a couple while we're in there so at least one, maybe more if I break the seal early... Just call me Aquaman.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 1, 2022 12:09:28 GMT
Sounds like bad planning. I pee before I go in, job done.
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Mar 1, 2022 12:10:48 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 1, 2022 12:10:48 GMT
And don’t drink anything for at least 30 minutes before you go in.
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Mar 1, 2022 12:19:59 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Mar 1, 2022 12:19:59 GMT
Even without booze, 3 hours is too long for my ageing slack bladder. Home release, definitely.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 1, 2022 12:24:28 GMT
I wonder if my being slightly uninvolved in The Force Awakens was due to popping to the bathroom when they death-starred 3 planets and missing that bit entirely.
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Post by lexw on Mar 1, 2022 13:11:14 GMT
Rating wise they seem mostly similar to Dark Knight, with most of the negative ones saying it’s not fun enough and it’s too serious. I get that’s what some people want but it’s not really rating the film on its own merits. It’s like going to see a thriller and complaining it’s not funny enough. It’s not what the film is and the marketing is clear that’s what it is. Looking on Rotten Tomatoes at the negative reviews (of which there aren't many - it's 86% Fresh which is good), it seems like the main complaint isn't that it's not "fun" enough but rather than the attempted "noir" tone doesn't work. I only see one (Detroit News) which is clearly "No fun ". The Guardian liked it but thought the final act was apocalyptic, OTT, and didn't fit the rest of the movie, which could also describe Batman Begins, honestly. I think people are judging it pretty fairly, TBH.
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Mar 1, 2022 13:42:39 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 1, 2022 13:42:39 GMT
There are a few that have those comments or similar.
It’s all positive enough that I’m looking forward to it, it won’t be as bad as the Snyder ones.
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Mar 1, 2022 14:11:47 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Mar 1, 2022 14:11:47 GMT
Seems to be down as April 18th for a digital release, so happy to wait it out and have a home viewing for my aging bladder.
I was half expecting 3-4 month waits to become the norm again like with Spidey.
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Mar 1, 2022 14:11:52 GMT
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Post by britesparc on Mar 1, 2022 14:11:52 GMT
I imagine it'll be as good as I expected it to be - which is to say, roughly as good as Batman Begins.
I do find myself yearning for a more fantastical/sci-fi take on the character, though, which is why I'm much more excited for The Flash and Batgirl.
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Mar 1, 2022 14:16:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 14:16:02 GMT
My movie going ritual is a hot dog and a beer at a Portillo's right outside the cinema, and I'm usually fine in regards to bathroom breaks. I think the key is to not take in a large coke or something INTO the theatre.
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Post by beastmaster on Mar 1, 2022 15:37:11 GMT
The key is to not take in a large coke or something INTO the theatre. Just take one sip. ONE SIP! And your bladder will begin to burst!
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Post by Derblington on Mar 2, 2022 9:48:55 GMT
It's Batman day!
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Post by britesparc on Mar 2, 2022 10:19:07 GMT
Or as I like to call it "watch West Side Story on Disney+ again" day.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 3, 2022 12:56:55 GMT
Ok, so Derb's The Batman mini-review (no plot talk but if you don't want to know anything then look away):
It's very good. It's also very long, and feels it. While Reeves' version of Batman shares a lot of similarities to Nolan's - namely being a realistic take of a man in a batsuit in a real world - it's also significantly different tonally, leaning heavily into a noir crime thriller. There's no spectacle. The length is to service the lingering tone rather than serving the actual plot, but it does work. I was never bored, and the gf enjoyed it too. It won't be easy to repeat view to kill an evening, I think it will require more of a mood to watch it again and again. Reeves' Batman is grounded in his world better than any on-screen version, imo. There are still elements of ridiculousness when you see a dude in a batsuit, most notably the cowl with ears, stood next to a police officer, but the moodier tone and cinematography throughout tie it all together much better than has been done before. There's no Batman waltzing about in day time like in Nolan's films, and it all feels very consistent. Batman is 2 years in, he doesn't kill people, he works with Gordon to actually investigate crimes, and he doesn't rely on gadgets (he has a couple but nothing particularly comicbook-y other than some funky lenses). The batmobile is a beast. It's very much a Year One style affair. Riddler is well done, though he's Riddler via David Fincher's Seven rather than anything like the comics. Penguin is fucking great, or specifically Colin Farrell is fucking great as Penguin. The prosthetic make-up is amazing. Reminds me more of the Arkham-verse games version than the comics there too. It's a pretty compact movie in what it's trying to accomplish, with a relatively small scale effect, focused on Gotham and no grander scale scheme. The third act does feel a bit from left-field as a result but it doesn't betray what's occurred in the film previously, just escalates it in a way that is unpredictable so it feels a bit out of place. It really just dials in to what Batman is as a character in isolation of the wider comicbook world. He doesn't feel like a superhero in any significant way here. It's sort of Batman for people who are bored of superhero films in that sense.
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Mar 5, 2022 0:20:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 0:20:01 GMT
I don't like the villain's gimp mask, but I also don't like the actor's face, so pick your poison I guess.
I loved it. Gotham here felt grimier than in the Nolan films. It's not a period piece, but it's similar to the Animated Series in that the cars and architecture look like the belong in a specific period (30s in BtAS, 80s here), but then there's contemporary tech that betrays the look. I don't mind it since it feels on brand for the franchise.
It's a lean 3 hours. The pace is fast, the mood is heavy. Fuck, I can't go into detail because I don't want to spoil anything specific. I already want to watch it again. Definitely buying the 4K blu-ray when it drops.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 5, 2022 3:29:14 GMT
Is it just me who finds it weird that they can just endlessly reboot batman and people will get excited about it every time? I can't think of many other characters/franchises where people wouldn't get bored/fed up by the 600th reboot in the last 5 years.
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Mar 5, 2022 3:39:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 3:39:55 GMT
I mean, Bond is the obvious comparison. It's partly story, but mostly execution. People love Keaton and Bale, but Kilmer, Clooney and Affleck aren't as fondly remembered. And all three of those are great actors! But again, it'd all script and direction. I may not be a big fan of Robbie Patts, but he kind of delivered the Batman I wanted Affleck to be.
But in general, I've never minded reboots. The way I see it, I may enjoy each reboot, but they're not for me, they're for the generation that comes after. So yeah, maybe we all know Batman and Spider-Man's origin stories, but it might be the first time our brothers/sisters or nephews/nieces or kids are experiencing it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 5, 2022 6:15:57 GMT
I mean, Bond is the obvious comparison. Yeah, but I never really thought of new bonds as 'reboots', and they tended to be decades apart. I guess the Craig era was more of a reboot, but it didn't feel like it as much because they'd already changed the actor. Actually, the craig era was the only one that got an origin story. Whereas Batman has had total reboots and repeated origin stories a fair few times.
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 5, 2022 9:17:14 GMT
It’s 17 years since Batman Begins and 33 years since Batman with Keaton.
There haven’t really been that many versions over the decades. I don’t really see an issue if the films are good and not the same exact story each time.
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Mar 5, 2022 10:25:45 GMT
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Post by geefe on Mar 5, 2022 10:25:45 GMT
The other thing to remember is Batman is now over 80, as a character. Is it a reboot if someone does a Dracula film or a Frankenstein?
The Bond comparison is apt as he's now just a character that people play around with. Sometimes he can be dark, brooding and quiet and other times loud and brash.
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Mar 5, 2022 10:39:35 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 5, 2022 10:39:35 GMT
Or Sherlock Holmes, any Shakespeare stuff, even Jack Ryan.
There have been more fast and furious films than Batman films in the same time frame.
Quality and different stories are the important factors. I’d have no issue with any series of films putting one out a year as long as they’re good enough.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 5, 2022 10:50:14 GMT
It’s 17 years since Batman Begins and 33 years since Batman with Keaton. Jeez dude! Don't say stuff like that!
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Mar 5, 2022 11:04:33 GMT
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Post by pierrepressure on Mar 5, 2022 11:04:33 GMT
Personally found it slightly disappointing, I thought the characters were great, really strong performances all round but the actual plot a bit meh.
Perhaps a good introduction to build future sequels upon but on its own merits not quite best in class.
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Mar 5, 2022 11:06:02 GMT
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Post by geefe on Mar 5, 2022 11:06:02 GMT
Am I right in thinking there is a set up for further stories?
I'm setting my expectations at Batman Begins level - good mood piece with good characters but just not quite there and a bit beige.
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Mar 5, 2022 14:06:05 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 5, 2022 14:06:05 GMT
Am I right in thinking there is a set up for further stories? I'm setting my expectations at Batman Begins level - good mood piece with good characters but just not quite there and a bit beige. Yeah it sets up more stories. At least 2 more films plus the new TV show that's coming
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Mar 5, 2022 16:17:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 16:17:22 GMT
It's very much a To Be Continued ending.
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