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Post by elstoof on Sept 24, 2023 20:39:35 GMT
Can’t be easy playing with a couple on tampons up your nose
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Post by elstoof on Sept 24, 2023 20:46:03 GMT
Japan surely can’t be thinking about hiring him
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 24, 2023 20:46:27 GMT
"Where does Australia go after this?"
Home.
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Post by KD on Sept 24, 2023 20:47:25 GMT
Job done.
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Post by Danno on Sept 24, 2023 20:50:22 GMT
"Where does Australia go after this?" Home. And hunting another coach |
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 24, 2023 20:50:50 GMT
A good showing from Wales, especially having lost Biggar so early on.
Fair play to Anscombe - he was imperious in Biggar's absence. Shades of Ford vs. Argentina.
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Post by Danno on Sept 24, 2023 20:52:17 GMT
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 24, 2023 20:57:26 GMT
Christ. Rennie's Australia were arguably better than RSA against Ireland in November. Didn't they beat France too?
Edit: No. Lost by a point, also against Italy. Although they beat Scotland and Wales.
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Post by Danno on Sept 24, 2023 21:02:39 GMT
They can't even pick a good Welsh band for the post match.
Looks like Jamie Roberts is about to lwad Delilah though
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Post by zephro on Sept 24, 2023 21:03:10 GMT
Fuck me Australia are rank. People are getting very excited but honestly not managing a bonus point against this shit show...
It's like the England Argentina game.
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Post by zephro on Sept 24, 2023 21:05:05 GMT
Oh god they're going to get Argentina in the quarters aren't they? These semi finals are going to be so brutally lobsided at this rate.
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Post by Danno on Sept 24, 2023 21:07:38 GMT
not managing a bonus point against this shit show Gatland innit. |
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Post by zephro on Sept 24, 2023 21:19:26 GMT
not managing a bonus point against this shit show Gatland innit. Yeah. Plus I'm obviously motivated by bitterness. I can see Scotland having cleaned out these other pools. Argentina have been particularly bad. |
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Post by Danno on Sept 24, 2023 21:28:16 GMT
Yeah the draw has shafted you. I don't see any reason for Ireland to lose any sleep after this weekend barring a remarkably unlikely collapse. You'd be pretty confident on the other side.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 24, 2023 21:32:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/66908213I agree with Townsend here - it seems as though referees are relying upon the bunker system by default, as a means of passing the buck, instead of relying on their instincts first and foremost while using the bunker as a backup plan.
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Post by Danno on Sept 24, 2023 21:41:26 GMT
I honestly thought it was bunker unless someone's been punched in the face, purely to speed the game up and stop the crowd having too much influence during the interminable replays.
And I am absolutely fine with that in principle except the bunker keeps fucking it up and TMOs keep missing stuff.
This rather backs up my view
"With the new bunker review system, if the referee is unable to decide if an incident deserves a red card after two video replays they have the option to show a yellow card."
Tell me the last time you saw a red given after 2 replays.
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Post by zephro on Sept 24, 2023 21:42:33 GMT
Christ. Rennie's Australia were arguably better than RSA against Ireland in November. Didn't they beat France too? Edit: No. Lost by a point, also against Italy. Although they beat Scotland and Wales. They did lose to Italy. But in his time as coach they did also beat New Zealand once, South Africa a few times, Scotland (outside the international window), which has got to be a better record than this. They've definitely gone from thinking a game with Scotland would be 50:50 to just looking at that and going "nah Finn and Duhan would put 6 tries on them". So it's definitely got worse. Also the bunker is baffling me, as whatever the reason for using it is meant to be, the decisions have been fucking bizarre. I thought it was going meant to improve consistency and try to make it a bit more objective. The facade of the system has just made it seem worse. |
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Post by zephro on Sept 24, 2023 21:44:50 GMT
I honestly thought it was bunker unless someone's been punched in the face, purely to speed the game up and stop the crowd having too much influence during the interminable replays. And I am absolutely fine with that in principle except the bunker keeps fucking it up and TMOs keep missing stuff. This rather backs up my view "With the new bunker review system, if the referee is unable to decide if an incident deserves a red card after two video replays they have the option to show a yellow card." Tell me the last time you saw a red given after 2 replays. I could have called the 2 Tonga ones today after 2 replays. Even without my thistle tinted glasses. |
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 24, 2023 21:59:47 GMT
I'm all for speeding up the game, and removing the pantomime aspect of the crowd booing a dozen slow-motion replays of a given offence, but it's as though referees won't even consider showing reds now.
As Danno says, that wouldn't be such a major issue if the bunker reached the correct result each time, but that isn't happening.
I've just seen that Fifita's yellow was upgraded to a red after the final whistle - a fair outcome in that case, but how mitigation was applied to the other Tongan card is beyond my comprehension.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 24, 2023 22:18:51 GMT
Something like the bunker system should be introduced just after a World Cup so any teething problems can be ironed out, not a few weeks before
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Post by elstoof on Sept 24, 2023 22:20:51 GMT
And by teething problems I mean get rid of it, it’s shit. Put the power back in the referees hands, warts and all
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Post by Danno on Sept 24, 2023 22:39:55 GMT
Something like the bunker system should be introduced just after a World Cup so any teething problems can be ironed out, not a few weeks before Definitely. I do think it's a good system in principle though. Refs have a really rough time of it* when there's cunts like me and Rassie around, and so letting them say 'foul play, needs another look for a red' to take some of that pressure off and get the game going again within 2 minutes instead of 10 seems like a good idea to me. I just wish the bunker was being better than the previous on field reviews 🙄 *Many do not help themselves. By you know, being utterly shit. |
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Post by Danno on Sept 24, 2023 22:42:42 GMT
It also takes a little bit of the power away from the guys that seem to want the game to be all about them: Karl Dickson, Andrew Brace
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 25, 2023 15:09:40 GMT
The bunker initiative makes a ton of sense as a process and I think World Rugby should be applauded for innovating. If it's definitely at least a yellow, get them off the pitch and get on with the match. It also makes sense to empower the video officials as they have the benefit of more time, a better view, and in theory a lower pressure atmosphere to reach the right decision.
As Danno says they've made mistakes and that's disappointing but I think they have the right idea with this approach. Bit of short term pain for long term gain. Sure ideally we'd have been passed this stage before a world cup.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 25, 2023 15:26:05 GMT
The bunker system got off to a lousy start with the Farrell debacle, and it hasn't exactly been smooth sailing since.
I think what everyone - players, coaches, and fans alike - wants is consistency, and we're still not getting it.
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Post by Danno on Sept 25, 2023 15:34:56 GMT
I think what everyone - players, coaches, and fans alike - wants is consistency, and we're still not getting it. Spot on |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 25, 2023 15:37:05 GMT
Its the same in football. The problem is still that you have referees viewing the footage who will have a different interpretation of the laws to another ref, so consistency is impossible. Just leave it to thr onfield ref unless he asks to see footage imo.
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 25, 2023 16:01:35 GMT
I think the bunker system is fantastic. It speeds the game up and shovels the nitty gritty of a decision to a pre-existing team with specific experience in doing just that. All that's missing is some (a lot) of clear and strong guidance to inform and unify* that decision-making process. As elstoof said, after a World Cup would be preferable to just before, allowing the whole thing to mature a bit. It's still a good system though.
*we'll never get true consistency but it can surely be tightened up a lot with a bit of work.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 25, 2023 18:32:09 GMT
Imo it’s either a ref with final say on the pitch, or it’s no ref just a team of TMOs watching from every angle so nothing gets missed. I’ve no idea who’s making the calls any more, must be hard to play with that uncertainty
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 25, 2023 21:01:29 GMT
We need RefGPT!
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