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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 30, 2022 21:37:23 GMT
There isn't really any big groundbreaking design at play here. Dark Souls had that, and this is just Open World Dark Souls. I (and a lot of people) really like Dark Souls and I always want more of it, and Elden Ring delivers exactly that. Pretty much how I see it, which is why I said the open world aspects aren't necessarily flaws. I just prefer the more condensed experience of DS. My favourite part was probably Stormveil Castle, which is basically a DS level. For me, the 'more of it' isn't more of what I want, it's open world stuff. Fine if you just like knocking about in a fantasy world, but that was never the draw for me in the first place
Essentially, my experience of it is that to make it bigger, they watered it down with open world design. Of all the bosses I fought, two felt like a big deal. The others felt like mini bosses. I'd rather take my DS neat
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Post by Tomo on Mar 31, 2022 7:42:45 GMT
Betrayer (2014): Kind of a survival FPS set in early colonial America. The white-black-red graphical style is certainly memorable, but I found the combat gameplay loop unengaging and I felt it isn't overly successful at creating a strong atmosphere. I mean, the sound is fine and it's not unatmospheric, but... well, there are quite a few menus, lots of things to pick up around the landscape and I think that's part of my problem. It seems needlessly complex and its mechanics and gameplay don't seem to work in favor of its story. I'm also not sure why it takes place in an open world. No voice-acting and you simply talk to the spirits you meet without much ado. It feels a little too sterile for something that takes place in a supernatural setting.
But I don't want to discourage anyone from trying it. I did only play it for 40 minutes or so.
This has been in my Steam list of games to play for oooo about 8 years. Somehow I think the ship has sailed for me. Doesn't sound like I missed much either. |
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Post by snackplissken on Mar 31, 2022 8:17:20 GMT
There isn't really any big groundbreaking design at play here. Dark Souls had that, and this is just Open World Dark Souls. I (and a lot of people) really like Dark Souls and I always want more of it, and Elden Ring delivers exactly that. Pretty much how I see it, which is why I said the open world aspects aren't necessarily flaws. I just prefer the more condensed experience of DS. My favourite part was probably Stormveil Castle, which is basically a DS level. For me, the 'more of it' isn't more of what I want, it's open world stuff. Fine if you just like knocking about in a fantasy world, but that was never the draw for me in the first place
Essentially, my experience of it is that to make it bigger, they watered it down with open world design. Of all the bosses I fought, two felt like a big deal. The others felt like mini bosses. I'd rather take my DS neat
I think for me it boils down to that I prefer a more linear experience and for the core mechanics of DS, I preferred having to repeat sections fairly quickly to get used to enemies etc. Whereas in ER I can go wherever the fuck I like, and I don't feel like I'm learning as quickly. And I think part of MY problem is that I only have x amount of time to play games, so a linear experience of the original DS suited me, rather than dicking about in an open world. I'm still going to play ER, but it'll just take me a lot longer to 'complete' it. |
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Post by monkman5000 on Mar 31, 2022 8:25:01 GMT
Surely the fact that it can have a discreet, (multi-)linear classic Souls level like Stormveil Castle within a contiguous open world is one of the things that make it stand out.
One of the ways it's like BotW is that you plot your own route around the world based on whims and what looks interesting, rather than picking a quest from a menu and following the objective marker.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:26:40 GMT
Pretty much how I see it, which is why I said the open world aspects aren't necessarily flaws. I just prefer the more condensed experience of DS. My favourite part was probably Stormveil Castle, which is basically a DS level. For me, the 'more of it' isn't more of what I want, it's open world stuff. Fine if you just like knocking about in a fantasy world, but that was never the draw for me in the first place
Essentially, my experience of it is that to make it bigger, they watered it down with open world design. Of all the bosses I fought, two felt like a big deal. The others felt like mini bosses. I'd rather take my DS neat
I think for me it boils down to that I prefer a more linear experience and for the core mechanics of DS, I preferred having to repeat sections fairly quickly to get used to enemies etc. Whereas in ER I can go wherever the fuck I like, and I don't feel like I'm learning as quickly. And I think part of MY problem is that I only have x amount of time to play games, so a linear experience of the original DS suited me, rather than dicking about in an open world. I'm still going to play ER, but it'll just take me a lot longer to 'complete' it. Yeah, in DS you're always pushing forward. Enemies are in the way and need to be overcome and it always feels like progress to do so. In ER, they're quite often wandering around in the open or in a camp somewhere which you can just avoid if you want. You aren't really progressing as such, it's all just... there
I'm the same - I enjoyed what I played of it, but after 40 hours or so, it's not really sustaining me. I'll wait until I'm in the mood to sink some time into something again and go back to it
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:27:43 GMT
Surely the fact that it can have a discreet, (multi-)linear classic Souls level like Stormveil Castle within a contiguous open world is one of the things that make it stand out. One of the ways it's like BotW is that you plot your own route around the world based on whims and what looks interesting, rather than picking a quest from a menu and following the objective marker. BotW did that with the Divine Beasts anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 8:30:12 GMT
Not sure why you would play ER, be in here a hell of a lot, but not delve into the ER thread btw AA. Everything is still being spoilered up to the hilt in there.
That's another matter though. Fair enough you don't want to keep playing it. We like what we like. As frog said - which for some reason you took as an attack - the warning signs were there very early on that you probably wouldn't get on with it. He wasn't having a dig, merely an observation.
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Post by monkman5000 on Mar 31, 2022 8:30:28 GMT
There's another similarity then. Don't think Assassin's Creed does that.
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 31, 2022 8:32:38 GMT
Surely the fact that it can have a discreet, (multi-)linear classic Souls level like Stormveil Castle within a contiguous open world is one of the things that make it stand out. One of the ways it's like BotW is that you plot your own route around the world based on whims and what looks interesting, rather than picking a quest from a menu and following the objective marker. BotW did that with the Divine Beasts anyway As much as I liked the Divine Beasts, they definitely didn't come close to the complexity that legacy dungeons like Stormveil have. Having some bigger, Hyrule Castle-like dungeons (to go along with simpler shrine/DB-like ones, not to replace them, to be clear) is actually pretty much top of my wishlist for things to add in the sequel. Kind of a "best of both worlds" deal, the bigger, more complex dungeons of earlier Zelda games coexisting with BotW's simpler, more streamlined ones. |
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Post by スコットランド on Mar 31, 2022 8:34:37 GMT
There isn't really any big groundbreaking design at play here. Dark Souls had that, and this is just Open World Dark Souls. I (and a lot of people) really like Dark Souls and I always want more of it, and Elden Ring delivers exactly that. Pretty much how I see it, which is why I said the open world aspects aren't necessarily flaws. I just prefer the more condensed experience of DS. My favourite part was probably Stormveil Castle, which is basically a DS level. For me, the 'more of it' isn't more of what I want, it's open world stuff. Fine if you just like knocking about in a fantasy world, but that was never the draw for me in the first place
Essentially, my experience of it is that to make it bigger, they watered it down with open world design. Of all the bosses I fought, two felt like a big deal. The others felt like mini bosses. I'd rather take my DS neat
I don't see any watering down but we're clearly not going to agree.... |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:36:42 GMT
Not sure why you would play ER, be in here a hell of a lot, but not delve into the ER thread btw AA. Everything is still being spoilered up to the hilt in there. That's another matter though. Fair enough you don't want to keep playing it. We like what we like. As frog said - which for some reason you took as an attack - the warning signs were there very early on that you probably wouldn't get on with it. He wasn't having a dig, merely an observation. I did have a look in there but people were discussing weapons, builds, something called Roundtable which I hadn't discovered yet. From games have always been a solo experience for me
As for the fog comment, it just annoyed me because I'd clearly said what aspects I wasn't particularly taken with but rather than addressing it or adding anything, he just chimed in with a dismissive comment as if I'm not allowed an opinion becuase I wasn't wetting myself up to release
I honestly can't remember what I even said about it before it came out and was mostly just messing about from what I remember. My opinion of the game started when I started playing it and I had a lot of fun with it until I decided I needed a break
It's just annoying for people to reply with 'you're not playing it right', 'you're being a bit unfair to it'. It's a video game. Why am I being 'unfair' because I have an opinion on something?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:38:08 GMT
Pretty much how I see it, which is why I said the open world aspects aren't necessarily flaws. I just prefer the more condensed experience of DS. My favourite part was probably Stormveil Castle, which is basically a DS level. For me, the 'more of it' isn't more of what I want, it's open world stuff. Fine if you just like knocking about in a fantasy world, but that was never the draw for me in the first place
Essentially, my experience of it is that to make it bigger, they watered it down with open world design. Of all the bosses I fought, two felt like a big deal. The others felt like mini bosses. I'd rather take my DS neat
I don't see any watering down but we're clearly not going to agree.... In DS you get Estus upgrades. In ER, you get seeds - you need multiple seeds to upgrade your Estus. Is that an improvement or a consession to spread it out a bit because it's open world and massive? |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:43:58 GMT
BotW did that with the Divine Beasts anyway As much as I liked the Divine Beasts, they definitely didn't come close to the complexity that legacy dungeons like Stormveil have. Having some bigger, Hyrule Castle-like dungeons (to go along with simpler shrine/DB-like ones, not to replace them, to be clear) is actually pretty much top of my wishlist for things to add in the sequel. Kind of a "best of both worlds" deal, the bigger, more complex dungeons of earlier Zelda games coexisting with BotW's simpler, more streamlined ones. Agreed on all point. ER does it better (although I'm only going by Stormveil, which was cool) but was just saying it's not unique |
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Post by スコットランド on Mar 31, 2022 8:47:13 GMT
I don't see any watering down but we're clearly not going to agree.... In DS you get Estus upgrades. In ER, you get seeds - you need multiple seeds to upgrade your Estus. Is that an improvement or a consession to spread it out a bit because it's open world and massive? In Dark Souls you have to look for fire keeper souls to add flask charges, in ER you have to look for seeds. I don't see it being better or worse, certainly not an issue or a great example of something being "watered down". |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 31, 2022 8:48:45 GMT
Let's just cut right to the chase here.
If you don't like Elden Ring you're a horrible person
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:50:18 GMT
Because you need multiple upgrades for the same thing. If they'd given you straight upgrades to it in ER, there'd either be far more Estus uses or fewer upgrade items, thus having less rewards to put in the world
You just don't want to see it as if everything I say is negative. I'm saying it's open world and I don't like some of the things that come with that. You do, fine but let's not pretend
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 8:50:25 GMT
It's just annoying for people to reply with 'you're not playing it right', 'you're being a bit unfair to it'. It's a video game. Why am I being 'unfair' because I have an opinion on something?
Don't think anyone said that. I would hope we were all above that by now. You can play it however the hell you like. If you don't love the game unconditionally, so what. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:53:37 GMT
It's just annoying for people to reply with 'you're not playing it right', 'you're being a bit unfair to it'. It's a video game. Why am I being 'unfair' because I have an opinion on something?
Don't think anyone said that. I would hope we were all above that by now. You can play it however the hell you like. If you don't love the game unconditionally, so what. I didn't mind that stuff really because Jambo and Junior are cool people and I'm familiar with them anyway. I don't really know fog to be honest so maybe I took it the wrong way. That was my perception of the comment anyway and why I responded how I did. He did call me stupid after though |
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Post by スコットランド on Mar 31, 2022 8:54:07 GMT
Because you need multiple upgrades for the same thing. If they'd given you straight upgrades to it in ER, there'd either be far more Estus uses or fewer upgrade items, thus having less rewards to put in the world You just don't want to see it as if everything I say is negative. I'm saying it's open world and I don't like some of the things that come with that. You do, fine but let's not pretend You think Elden Ring is watered down because you have to collect more than one seed per Estus flask charge (after the first few IIRC) and don't like that. Is that it? |
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Post by スコットランド on Mar 31, 2022 8:55:19 GMT
@aunt Alison, are you the guy whose fave Souls game is DS2?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:55:37 GMT
Because you need multiple upgrades for the same thing. If they'd given you straight upgrades to it in ER, there'd either be far more Estus uses or fewer upgrade items, thus having less rewards to put in the world You just don't want to see it as if everything I say is negative. I'm saying it's open world and I don't like some of the things that come with that. You do, fine but let's not pretend You think Elden Ring is watered down because you have to collect more than one seed per Estus flask charge (after the first few IIRC) and don't like that. Is that it? No, that is one example for you because you were struggling to see any way in which content was stretched out. I'm not going to give you a comprehensive list of things because I actually think the game is alright and I don't care that much |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 8:56:33 GMT
@aunt Alison, are you the guy whose fave Souls game is DS2? I'm the person who is finding you annoying at the moment |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 8:59:09 GMT
Don't think anyone said that. I would hope we were all above that by now. You can play it however the hell you like. If you don't love the game unconditionally, so what. I didn't mind that stuff really because Jambo and Junior are cool people and I'm familiar with them anyway. I don't really know fog to be honest so maybe I took it the wrong way. That was my perception of the comment anyway and why I responded how I did. He did call me stupid after though No he didn't. |
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Post by dogbot on Mar 31, 2022 9:01:00 GMT
Let's just cut right to the chase here. If you don't like Elden Ring you're a horrible person What about if you haven't played it and are generally insouciant? |
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Post by snackplissken on Mar 31, 2022 9:02:31 GMT
The classic forum pile on. Calm down lads. It's a game.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 9:02:31 GMT
I didn't mind that stuff really because Jambo and Junior are cool people and I'm familiar with them anyway. I don't really know fog to be honest so maybe I took it the wrong way. That was my perception of the comment anyway and why I responded how I did. He did call me stupid after though No he didn't. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. |
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Post by スコットランド on Mar 31, 2022 9:02:39 GMT
@aunt Alison, are you the guy whose fave Souls game is DS2? I'm the person who is finding you annoying at the moment I apologise for not blindly agreeing with the "watered down" bollocks that you can't explain. Hugs, Ecosse. |
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Post by スコットランド on Mar 31, 2022 9:03:28 GMT
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. I can't believe you just called me a cunt. |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 31, 2022 9:03:34 GMT
Let's just cut right to the chase here. If you don't like Elden Ring you're a horrible person What about if you haven't played it and are generally insouciant? Not good enough, choose a side. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 31, 2022 9:04:57 GMT
I'm the person who is finding you annoying at the moment I apologise for not blindly agreeing with the "watered down" bollocks that you can't explain. Hugs, Ecosse. I did explain it and you dismissed it, you big weirdo
Why would I even bother to go into it further when you'll just do the same?
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